General Discussion - boot prob??

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boot prob??

jojogun

2007-01-11, 3:27 am

Hi, can u boot win95 whith a win98 boot disk, i can not remember! thanx

relder

2007-01-15, 6:13 am

You can boot any computer with a 98 boot disk. But it doesn't boot to the OS on the hard drive. It boots to the floppy so in effect you'll be loading a 98 version of DOS.

jojogun

2007-01-16, 5:31 am

I know i can format, fdisk, can i load win95, ( bios then boot from c d ) thanx

Redstar

2007-01-20, 9:54 am

You would have to format in FAT16.
Boy, it's been a while since I have missed with Windows 95

ccomputers

2007-01-21, 11:34 am

You can certainly boot the machine with Win98, and perform all the basic functions (Fdisk, Format, etc), just remember some funtions are only availble once the path is specified (Path=X:\Win98, X being the Cd-Drive).

If you are using Win95Os2 you can use Fat32 for formatting, and then copy the Win95 Directory from the CD to a HDD folder, and then install from the HDD.

The only stumbling block, you may hit, is if the machine is still running Win95, the machine Bios might not support boot from CD.

Enjoy

Redstar

2007-01-22, 7:23 pm

If memory serves correctly, (and I haven't played around with Windows 95 in some time, so could be wrong) but I don't think Windows 95 will support FAT 32. That introduced when Windows 98 came out.

JuniorBDC

2007-01-23, 12:43 am

What if I have an eMachine that we're trying to install WIN XP but, we can't have the computer boot to the CD? I set the BIOS to first boot to the CD Drive. It just boots to the hard drive. I've tried CDs that are originals for different programs also. Same boot occurs to the hard drive.

Can someone give me a little advise of booting to the CD Drive?

ccomputers

2007-01-23, 12:44 am

Hi Redstar

50-50 correct, Win95 First Release did not support Fat32, but Win95or2 does, the second release also supported USB Devices, when you could get them working

.

I unfortunately still work with 95 as some clients will just not see the light, but I am slowly weening them off.

ccomputers

2007-01-23, 12:50 am

Hi JuniorBDC

Silly question, but do you have multiple drives in the machine ? (CD-Rom/CDRW/DVD)

If you do, strip the machine back to single HDD, Single Optical Drive, and try again.

XP will definately boot from Optical, and if it does not, it is more likely to be either a configuration issue or drive issue.

JuniorBDC

2007-01-23, 1:00 am

ccomputers,

thanks for the quick reply.

but, the computer only has the one CD drive, one hard drive and one floppy drive.

i'll check if it's a optical drive though. but, i know the drive is able to read the CD if i look at it though the original OS (XP that I want to wipeout and replace.)

i've got to look at the computer at my office tommorrow though. at that time i'll give you a status report.

- thanks

JuniorBDC

2007-01-23, 10:38 am

Actually, even thought the bios was configure to boot from the CD drive, it may have not booted to the CD drive because the jumper was set to slave even though it was the only drive on the line.

I don't know. but, when I switched it everything ran the way I wanted it to.

- thanks again for your attention

ccomputers

2007-01-23, 10:44 am

NP at all Junior

My best guess is that the Bios supports boot from Device 00 - 04, and if the Drive was set on slave, that could have effected it.

Glad you got it sorted. As I tell most of my clients, switch off Walk away, make coffee, come back, and it will be working again

, honest its written in some Microsoft Manuals

Redstar

2007-01-23, 8:15 pm

quote:
Originally posted by ccomputers
Hi Redstar

50-50 correct, Win95 First Release did not support Fat32, but Win95or2 does, the second release also supported USB Devices, when you could get them working .

I unfortunately still work with 95 as some clients will just not see the light, but I am slowly weening them off.

Thanks for the reply, I will have to go dig out one of my old machines and try that!

jojogun

2007-01-24, 7:20 am

Thanx for all the info, i had to replace the HHD, it was a 98 system, once again thax

EllenD2

2007-01-31, 4:51 pm

From http://support.microsoft.com

Clean Boot Procedure with CD-ROM Drive

When performing a "clean boot", you may need to retain access to the computer's CD-ROM drive. The following lines must be retained in the computer's system files:
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REQUIRED
AUTOEXEC.BAT File
-----------------
<drive>:\<path>\mscdex.exe <switches>

CONFIG.SYS File
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device=<drive>:\<path>\<cd-rom driver> <switches>

where <drive> represents the drive letter that contains the file, <path> represents the path to the file, <cd-rom driver> represents the filename of the CD-ROM driver and <switches> represents any relevant software switches required by the device.
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MAY BE REQUIRED
CONFIG.SYS File
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device=<drive>:\<path>\setver.exe

where <drive> represents the drive letter that contains the file and <path> represents the path to the file. This line will be needed if the version of Microsoft CD-ROM Extensions (MSCDEX) was written for an earlier version of MS-DOS than is currently installed on the system. device=<drive>:\<path>\smartdrv.exe /double_buffer

where <drive> represents the drive letter that contains the file and <path> represents the path to the file. Some older CD-ROM drives require this entry for Windows to access the drive. For additional information about this entry, query on the following words in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
troubleshooting and smartdrive and cd-rom abd emm386.exe and noems
In addition, some CD-ROM drives (such a some from Creative Labs) require a batch file to be run at MS-DOS that will install additional switches required for the MSCDEX.

Hope this helps.

EllenD2

2007-01-31, 5:10 pm

from http://support.microsoft.com

You can't do this because of the following
differences in the sizes of these files
shown at the bottom:

SYMPTOMS
When you try to start Windows 95/98, you may receive one of the following error messages and be returned to the MS-DOS prompt:
• The following file is missing or corrupted: Win.com
• The following file is missing or corrupted: Win.com Program too big to fit in memory
• Cannot find Win.com, unable to continue loading Windows
• Program too large

CAUSE
This issue can occur if the Win.com file is missing or damaged. Check the file to see if it is the correct size:

Windows 98: 24,791 bytes
Windows 95: 22,679 bytes
Windows 95 OEM Service Release 2: 24,503 bytes

Also the following files are different with each version of windows and CANNOT be used interchangeably:

How to Upgrade to Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me:
If you upgrade to Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me or if you reinstall Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me, Setup deletes certain files in your MS-DOS folder and replaces them with the Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me version of the files in the Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me folder and in the Command folder. The following files are deleted and replaced by Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me Setup:

Ansi.sys
Attrib.sys
Chkdsk.exe
Choice.com
Country.sys
Dblspace.bin
Dblspace.exe
Dblspace.sys
Debug.exe
Defrag.exe
Deltree.exe
Diskcopy.exe
Display.sys
Doskey.com
Drvspace.bin
Drvspace.exe
Edit.com
Edit.hlp
Ega.cpi
Emm386.exe
Fc.exe
Fdisk.exe
Find.exe
Format.com
Help.com
Keyb.com
Keyboard.sys
Label.exe
Mem.exe
Mode.com
More.com
Move.exe
Mscdex.exe
Msd.exe
Networks.txt
Nlsfunc.exe
Os2.txt
Ramdrive.sys
Readme.txt
Scandisk.exe
Scandisk.ini
Server.exe
Share.exe
Smartdrv.exe
Sort.exe
Start.exe
Subst.exe
Subst.exe
Sys.com
Xcopy.exe

Note that this includes FORMAT.COM and FDISK.EXE.

Hope this helps.

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