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Anyone take the windows XP exam 70-270?
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| Sorry for posting this here but the XP forums don't seem to have to many people on it.
Ok I'v studyed the sybex guide for about a month now. I used the Microsoft free online training that someone gave a link too (sucks) I have taken the practice tests on the CD also a friend gave me another practice test. On some of the tests my scores where 52, 53, 78, 83,and a 78.
Are the practice test harder the the real test or the other way around?
I'm not sure what I'm missing LOL but how hard is this test  you think I might be ok or should I reread the book or even better is there a better book out there that anyone could recomend?
The real problem is I don't want to blow $127 and be totaly unprepared for it. Any suggestions would be great.
Thanks in advance. | |
| enforcer 2005-03-10, 5:49 am |
| normally the sybex ones and the ones you get with the microsoft books, are slightly harder, but also slightly different.
If you have never done an MS exam before you won't know what I mean by different.
Best thing is to make sure you can do all the practical bits from the book, and have actually used most of it either in a lab or even better in real life. remember you are doing this so you have the skills to do a job, not just to pass an exam. | |
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| Good to here
Well I guess more studying for me then. I at least know half it seems
Thanks for the reply. | |
| enforcer 2005-03-10, 7:40 am |
| Another idea, rather than just go throught the questions and pick an answer from the choices, try writing the questions down (or copy/type them into word) then without the multiple choice answers in front of you, try and find/work out the answer yourself.
Also, try and reword the questions as well. | |
| freak 2005-03-10, 12:16 pm |
| Another trick I use is vocally justifying why an answer is correct, and why another is not. It's a bit silly at first, but you will gain quick insight into what you actually do know, and what only thought you knew  | |
| ChrisDfer 2005-03-10, 12:20 pm |
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Originally posted by freak
Another trick I use is vocally justifying why an answer is correct, and why another is not. It's a bit silly at first, but you will gain quick insight into what you actually do know, and what only thought you knew
Hey cool... that's what I do. | |
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| I hope it works for you as well as it does for me.
Though I once had a lad do this *during a test*... that was NOT fun. | |
| greggyboy 2005-03-13, 7:22 am |
| I took it a month ago and there were lots of questions on network configuration, so I'd make sure you brush up on that. And Test King exams are excellent. If you look on Ebay you should find somebody selling the whole bundle as PDFs for £10, and I couldn't recommend these enough. Make sure you've got time to go through at least 60 qs before the exam and you should be fine. And when you pass, before taking another one register for the Microsoft 2nd chance offer.
Don't listen to people saying this is an easy exam, as I found this to be far more challenging than the supposedly more difficult 2000 server exam, mainly because you're coming up against lots of concepts for the first time in the XP exam. I would, however, agree with those that it's the one you should take first, as it gives you an excellent bedrock of knowledge to apply in later MCPs. | |
| freak 2005-03-13, 10:09 am |
| test-so-called-king are nothing but braindumps. Stay away from them if you want your cert to mean something other than you're able to put aside all notions of self-dignity and integrity... | |
| greggyboy 2005-03-14, 9:36 am |
| You're talking rubbish, freak, if you use them properly and combine them with hands-on experience they're no different to any other study guide, you attempt the question and mnake sure that you read and digest the accompanying text.
What's the matter, are you jealous because you failed your MCP or can't afford the testking package? | |
| greggyboy 2005-03-14, 9:52 am |
| Harrumph | |
| freak 2005-03-14, 11:06 am |
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Originally posted by greggyboy
You're talking rubbish, freak, if you use them properly and combine them with hands-on experience they're no different to any other study guide, you attempt the question and mnake sure that you read and digest the accompanying text.
What's the matter, are you jealous because you failed your MCP or can't afford the testking package?
who's talking rubbish, now? I have passed more tests - ethically, I might add - than you even knew there were... and I sure don't need to cheat. It's called studying and using your brain. You should give it a shot, sometime. It might actually work for you, too.
Say what you want about brain(cramp)dumps. The bottom line is that if the only way you can pass a test is by being fed the questions prior to sitting the test, then your cert is not worth the TP I use in my bathroom to wipe my fabulous derriere... | |
| greggyboy 2005-03-14, 11:46 am |
| Are you really that ridiculously noble? We all know it's about passing the MCPs, and I'm sure that's what the guy that posted this forum wants to do. Do you not cut any corners or generally make life easier for yourself because it's not ethical, honest answer?
I've got the technical skills, but am not going to risk paying Microsoft extra exam fees whilst jumping through their hoops. | |
| freak 2005-03-14, 11:53 am |
| Simply put, no. I don't believe in using brain(cramps)dumps. If I am going to pass a test, I want to know that it's because I can, not because I cheated to do so.
I have enough confidence in my abilities to study and take tests to believe that I don't need to cheat. And if I miss a test one of these days, then so be it. I'll just study harder and take that sucker until I pass.
It's not noble. It's personal dignity and integrity. | |
| greggyboy 2005-03-14, 12:15 pm |
| You have your opinion and I mine, so we shall have to agree to disagree. I would like to compliment you on your hat before I go though, most dashing. | |
| freak 2005-03-14, 12:17 pm |
| Thank you. My kids rather dig the hat as well 
One last word about dumps: while the webmaster does what he wants in terms of advertising on his site, it remains a fact that dumpy material is not allowed in the forum section of the site. Thanks. | |
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| I was not trying to start a flame war, but I did use some strong language, and therefore I certainly give credit to the original poster for not jumping on the occasion more than was necessary
You know where I stand on that topic. More than my own opinion, though, I always want to make sure that a person new to this industry does not come across a post like that and assume that braincraps are OK and endorsed by all of us... | |
| evilkid 2005-03-14, 2:02 pm |
| Freak, just calm down a bit. I understand where your coming from. If people go for the certs just to have them, then they truely are no better than the TP in my bathroom. I, personally don't know what a braindump is let alone used one, and from the opinions I've seen here on EN, I'm pretty sure I don't want to use them. It should be all about the knowlage you get from the studying. Thought I would throw my two cents into this | |
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Originally posted by evilkid
Freak, just calm down a bit. I understand where your coming from. If people go for the certs just to have them, then they truely are no better than the TP in my bathroom. I, personally don't know what a braindump is let alone used one, and from the opinions I've seen here on EN, I'm pretty sure I don't want to use them. It should be all about the knowlage you get from the studying. Thought I would throw my two cents into this
1. I am perfectly calm.
2. From what you wrote we actually agree | |
| evilkid 2005-03-14, 2:08 pm |
| *Wipes a tear from eye* Your beautiful, freak. J/K. Please don't hurt me. Anyways, yes, I do agree with you. I Idolize you. Oh, and I'm working on that article for you. You know which one (I hope). Its gonna be a little long though. Found too much info for it. | |
| enforcer 2005-03-14, 2:09 pm |
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Originally posted by evilkid
Freak, just calm down a bit.
Are you part scouser? | |
| evilkid 2005-03-14, 2:19 pm |
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Originally posted by enforcer
Are you part scouser?
Yes....I mean no......I mean......Um..........PLEASE DON"T TELL ANYONE | |
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| Thanks all for the reply. I most defently studied and I fell I know and can pass the test without using testking or the like. Though I still might just to feel more confident. I'm giving myselfe a few more weeks of studying though.
Thanks all for the replys. | |
| greggyboy 2005-03-17, 10:01 am |
| Yep, you follow these naive folk and waste a few more weeks of your life, whereas sensible, pragmatic people who know what they're doing with XP pass with testking and jump through Microsofts' hoop that bit faster, and get the jobs because they've got more MCPs than you.
Use your own brain and don't be such a sheep.
I hope you fail (genuinely) as you haven't got enough of an independently functioning mind to be let loose on a real network. | |
| freak 2005-03-17, 10:03 am |
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Originally posted by greggyboy
Yep, you follow these naive folk and waste a few more weeks of your life, whereas sensible, pragmatic people who know what they're doing with XP pass with testking and jump through Microsofts' hoop that bit faster, and get the jobs because they've got more MCPs than you.
Use your own brain and don't be such a sheep.
I hope you fail (genuinely) as you haven't got enough of an independently functioning mind to be let loose on a real network.
what a moron. People who use brainfarts don't get the jobs - they don't pass the first technical interview. And even if they could, they would not be able to do the job once they got it, since all they know is answers learnt with no understanding of what they are actually talking about - not unlike you, come to think of it... | |
| evilkid 2005-03-17, 4:19 pm |
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Originally posted by greggyboy
Yep, you follow these naive folk and waste a few more weeks of your life, whereas sensible, pragmatic people who know what they're doing with XP pass with testking and jump through Microsofts' hoop that bit faster, and get the jobs because they've got more MCPs than you.
Use your own brain and don't be such a sheep.
I hope you fail (genuinely) as you haven't got enough of an independently functioning mind to be let loose on a real network.
You can't possably be serious. So, do you go for the certs just to have em? If you go just for the cert, then the whole time you spend with the braindump is a waste. This may suprize you, but the certs are there to test your knowledge in hopes that you can retain the information. If your not in it for the knowledge, then you are wasting your time in IT and need to pick a different profession. Might I sudjest janitorial? | |
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| So wait I understand now The 7 weeks I studied and did the labs suddenly somehow get drained from my memory due to the evil testking!!! dear lord lets call the authorities!
I can understand jumping on people that don't studie and just read the brain dumps, but what I might, well now probably, do is after studing read up on it to fill in any gaps that maybe just maybe I might of missed. | |
| freak 2005-03-17, 11:41 pm |
| let's not get carried away here...
We do not condone the use of cheat material, period. Regardless of what else you did beyond that. That does not mean that we deny that you also studied on the side. Just that we object to that one ingredient in your studying strategy.
You know, it's like that baseball mess. Once you cheat - ie take roids in our baseball example - it's hard to know which part of your performance was legit and due to your studying, and which part was due to the edge you think you gained from cheating...
The last thing I would say is that if you study hard for 7 weeks, both reading books and in a test lab, then you sure as hell don't need testqueen to help you pass the test - especially not a test like the 270! | |
| acruth7284 2005-03-18, 12:13 am |
| Personally I see nothing wrong with Brain Dumps, although I would never use them as a "study" material. Study Guide books and hands on does not always lead me to everything I need to learn, so if I glance through a brain dump and see a subject on there that was not covered elsewhere then I can go out and look up more on that. People who do use a brain dump a end-all study method are just crazy. They are useful tools, but don't abuse them. (Yes, I do realize what the point of a brain dump is and that I am actually altering their initial purpose.) | |
| curiousgeorge 2005-03-18, 1:33 am |
| :::BAM!:::
:::CRASHES THROUGH THE DOOR THROWING HOLY WATER EVERYWHERE:::
I can. Therefore I do.
I cannot. Therefore I teach.
If you can't make it in a real job, you can always teach Microsoft classes. (and I'm not kidding)
When schools/instructors are asked what real-world experience they have, the #1 answer is "I do consulting work".
So if you teach, tell your students you're a consultant. Consulting is all theory anyway. It's not actual implementation or administration.
You'll have a job whether you can do it in the real world or teach it in a class.
:::PLACES VILE OF HOLY WATER BACK IN SHIRT NEXT TO CROSS:::
:::CLOSES THE DOOR SILENTLY:::
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| enforcer 2005-03-18, 5:49 am |
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Originally posted by acruth7284
Personally I see nothing wrong with Brain Dumps, although I would never use them as a "study" material. Study Guide books and hands on does not always lead me to everything I need to learn, so if I glance through a brain dump and see a subject on there that was not covered elsewhere then I can go out and look up more on that. People who do use a brain dump a end-all study method are just crazy. They are useful tools, but don't abuse them. (Yes, I do realize what the point of a brain dump is and that I am actually altering their initial purpose.)
Braindumps as a study/review aid, interesting idea. NOT
However you have just raised a possible way in which braindumps can be used in a way that will help.
Go through a braindump, AFTER you have PASSED the exam. Yes that is PASSED not before or after you have failed but after you have passed. Go through them check out the answers they give (they are not always correct) reaearch them and see where you weaknesses are.
Yes they can have a place in our society.  | |
| lukewalker 2005-03-23, 5:30 am |
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Original post by curiousgeorge
If you can't make it in a real job, you can always teach Microsoft classes. (and I'm not kidding)
When schools/instructors are asked what real-world experience they have, the #1 answer is "I do consulting work".
So if you teach, tell your students you're a consultant. Consulting is all theory anyway. It's not actual implementation or administration.
curiousgeorge, that would have to be one of the most ridiculous comments I have read on a forum such as this. There is no way you would possibly be able to substantiate such a naive comment. Obviously you have attended a significant number of courses (Your MCSE boot camp only counts as one by the way) internationally with various vendors
Some of the best I.T. professionals are in training. It is obvious to me you have not and never would have the aptitude nor attitude to be a trainer yourself. A classroom of students of whatever level would eat you alive, (see if your braindump certification will help you then.)
Its comments like that and paper quals like yours that give trainers and the IT industry a bad name. How about if you feel so passionately about training get off your arse and become a trainer yourself. We'll see how long you last before you are back at your "password reset" call centre |
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