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| I was going to post this to the thread in the A+ forum but it was closed. It probably belonged in general anyway though.
I've heard the arguments for and against (mostly against.) I've heard suggestions for remedies (mostly hands-on labs or change the questions frequently.) But this article on CertMag's site is the first I've heard about the costs.
The Costs of Compromise
To summarize: $100,000+ to change the questions, millions in lost good-will, and those who honestly pass find their certs are now worthless. It's no surprise then that many take the issue "personally." I've even heard some people say they intentionally "poison" brain-dump sites with wrong questions and/or answers. In any case, some food for thought. | |
| wayne62682 2004-07-08, 11:23 pm |
| I agree with that.. the problem IMO comes when you attempt to use braindumps as a legitimate study tool.. a lot of people still call you a paper [insert cert name] even though you are not. What I mean by legit study tool is using it as a review, exactly like half of the practice tests out there, and not memorizing questions and answers like most of the drones. What is wrong in doing this??
As long as the person actually knows what he/she is doing, it shouldn't matter HOW they aquired the cert. It's only the morons who know absolutely nothing but have fifty different certifications that devalue the industry.
Just my opinion. | |
| mikop 2004-07-08, 11:26 pm |
| ROFL | |
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| The cost to fail one test easily pays for a couple books. The better books even include practice exams on CD. So why take the chance "poisoning" your mind with brain-dumps? | |
| wayne62682 2004-07-09, 8:45 am |
| Well, true, but from my understanding very few books come with practice tests that ask hard enough questions (Seen a lot of reviews of books that say the questions are way too easy). And the good practice tests (e.g. Transcenders) are ridiculously expensive (No way I'm spending more than the exam itself for a PRACTICE test).
IMO any sort of review can only help, since you're not memorizing the Q&A but testing your own knowledge. Even if people throw in questions that are deliberatly wrong, it won't affect the person who is using the BD to study from, or if it does it won't hurt as bad as the idiot who memorizes Q&As to try and pass. | |
| curiousgeorge 2004-07-09, 10:25 am |
| I never heard of a braindump site until about 2 years ago. but anyone who uses braindumps and relies on the answers that were given is an idiot.
Even the people who sell M$ exam questions don't have the right answers. You see posts all the time in forums about questions from testking and other sites that have wrong answers.
If you use the braindumps to study the questions and research the answers through reading and trying things in a lab, I have no problem with it.
I work with a few paper MCSE's. They're blithering idiots. They have no clue how AD, DNS, DHCP, or routing works and they have no idea how to fix anything. Everytime I have to fix something that they have done wrong, I let their manager know.
SO BEWARE PAPER MCSE'S. YOU WILL GET CAUGHT IF YOU LIE YOUR WAY INTO A JOB. | |
| fawad112 2004-07-11, 10:35 am |
| ?? | |
| elijathegold 2004-07-11, 11:18 am |
| I tend to agree with curiousgeorge, but would add that its a shame that these "crammers" dilute the value of certification programs for those of us with enough pride to want to understand the subject we are studying.
In part I blame the IT Training companies here in the UK who run fluffy TV ads, encouraging all and sundry to sign up to their courses.
"Earn more money" - Well OK if your good and not been outsourced
"Less Stress" - Purlease! have these guys ever worked in IT?
"Spend more time at home with your family" - Not with the companies I have worked for!
Anyway, people sign up to these, fork out loads of money for the training and then realise that it isn't as easy as they were led to believe. Suddenly, it becomes hard work and brain dumps become an attractive alternative.
I firmly that IT (any aspect of IT) is one of those careers, where if you're not in it because you love it, then you're doing the wrong thing.
Elija | |
| Sexy Lexy 2004-07-11, 2:06 pm |
| This is SOOOOO tempting. However, Mikop's replay can not be beaten!
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| HOOLIGAN 2004-07-11, 2:19 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by elijathegold
I firmly that IT (any aspect of IT) is one of those careers, where if you're not in it because you love it, then you're doing the wrong thing.
Elija
Great point. | |
| enforcer 2004-07-11, 3:00 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Crito
I was going to post this to the thread in the A+ forum but it was closed.
Was it lunch time? | |
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| It might have been lunchtime in China, but here it was around midnight. Maybe the mod union closed it down to protest Freak's dismissal, or something.
BTW, the link in fawad112's tag line raises an interesting point. Its been (very infrequently) reported that nearly 50% of college students cheat. And lest you think these things only happen at lower class institutions, it's common knowledge the Skull and Bones fraternity at Yale, which both Bush and Kerry were members of, has a basement full of term papers. Yet, I've never heard anyone refer to their degrees as a "paper B.S." and the institution's credibility hasn't suffered one iota. Listening to Bush speak on economic issues, I have to wonder if Harvard has a "paper M.B.A." program too.  Seems some credentials are immune to cheaters while others are extremely vulnerable to them. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-11, 4:15 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Crito
Its been (very infrequently) reported that nearly 50% of college students cheat.
All you need to do is look at fawad112's tag line to see how common that is.... | |
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| elijathegold 2004-07-12, 3:18 pm |
| Can't help but wonder if they got legal aid
Elija | |
| enforcer 2004-07-13, 4:31 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by elijathegold
Can't help but wonder if they got legal aid
Elija
Damn right they would of.  | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by curiousgeorge
anyone who uses braindumps and relies on the answers that were given is an idiot.
Hell freezes over.
quote:
If you use the braindumps to study the questions and research the answers through reading and trying things in a lab, I have no problem with it.
ah, back to normal  |
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