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What would you rather have?
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| ruscorp 2004-04-28, 12:08 pm |
| A computer in the office is dead and I need to replace it with a new mobo and cpu.
I am tied between a Celeron 2.8GHz and an Athlon XP 2000+.
Judging by the infomation found on this chart: http://users.erols.com/chare/786.htm ,which processor would you rather have? | |
| jkhnwspec 2004-04-28, 1:20 pm |
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Originally posted by ruscorp
A computer in the office is dead and I need to replace it with a new mobo and cpu.
I am tied between a Celeron 2.8GHz and an Athlon XP 2000+.
Judging by the infomation found on this chart: http://users.erols.com/chare/786.htm ,which processor would you rather have?
What about the motherboard? What would you be choosing for either processor?
Additionally, will the current power supply in the case be up to handling either of these processors? | |
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| ClintonN 2004-04-28, 1:55 pm |
| I would go for the AMD over a Celeron. | |
| ruscorp 2004-04-28, 1:58 pm |
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Originally posted by ClintonN
I would go for the AMD over a Celeron.
Any reason in particular? | |
| ClintonN 2004-04-28, 2:07 pm |
| I have a few machines with celerons here at work with similar configurations as my friends Athlon box and it seems like the Athlon runs better. I know they're about the same processor speed, same ram, same os, but to be honest I couldn't tell you the FSB of the motherboards. | |
| ruscorp 2004-04-28, 2:47 pm |
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Originally posted by ClintonN
I have a few machines with celerons here at work with similar configurations as my friends Athlon box and it seems like the Athlon runs better. I know they're about the same processor speed, same ram, same os, but to be honest I couldn't tell you the FSB of the motherboards.
I bought my father an Athlon XP 1800+ barebone kit to replace his old Celeron 500MHz eMachine. I paired it with DDR 2100. I reused a couple of old parts like the hdd, fdd, cd-rom and whatnot. Seems to run fine except that the chipset sucks.
I guess I'll go with the Athlon. I don't understand why Intel's prices don't seem to ever drop. | |
| JohnDeere 2004-04-28, 2:47 pm |
| A Celeron is a P4 without cache. A Duron is an Athlon without cache. Or rather, "less cache". I'd choose a P4 or Athlon over Duron or Celeron any day. Better performance. | |
| ruscorp 2004-04-28, 2:59 pm |
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Originally posted by JohnDeere
A Celeron is a P4 without cache. A Duron is an Athlon without cache. Or rather, "less cache". I'd choose a P4 or Athlon over Duron or Celeron any day. Better performance.
That's what I figured. I always went by that same creed. | |
| JohnDeere 2004-04-29, 2:00 pm |
| Get the Athlon then, you tosser! | |
| yanqui 2004-04-29, 3:45 pm |
| I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. | |
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Originally posted by yanqui
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
From the looks of your avatar, you have both! Lucky you...  | |
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| Between the two, ya... go with the Athlon... but my experience is that you are gonna want to make sure you have good cooling for that box as they tend to run hotter than Intel chips. If you had the money, go for the P4. 
darn 300 second rule...  | |
| ruscorp 2004-04-29, 7:34 pm |
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Originally posted by JohnDeere
Get the Athlon then, you tosser!
It's a done deal. It was ordered today.
Do Athlon's need a special PS like P4's? | |
| Tech Ranger 2004-04-29, 9:59 pm |
| Any PS should do. Get enough power if you plan to support multiple drives. | |
| ruscorp 2004-04-29, 11:58 pm |
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Originally posted by Tech Ranger
Any PS should do. Get enough power if you plan to support multiple drives.
Got 400. That should be just fine. | |
| thebonzodog 2004-05-02, 8:32 pm |
| 400 will be plenty. Just remember not to skimp on the cooling fans though.
Ah, so thats what people mean about 300 seconds... | |
| ruscorp 2004-05-03, 1:42 am |
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Originally posted by thebonzodog
400 will be plenty. Just remember not to skimp on the cooling fans though.
Ah, so thats what people mean about 300 seconds...
I never skip on fans.  | |
| GravityMaster 2004-05-03, 12:31 pm |
| Is there a reason that you haven't looked at the Athlon XP-2400+? Seems to be about $50.00 cheaper... | |
| ruscorp 2004-05-03, 12:35 pm |
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Originally posted by GravityMaster
Is there a reason that you haven't looked at the Athlon XP-2400+? Seems to be about $50.00 cheaper...
The mobo and cpu were a bundle. I didn't remember seeing a 2400+ bundle.
I did start to hook up the system today and what a surprise, no video. I'm checking out to see what the problem is now. No beeps upon boot either. | |
| thebonzodog 2004-05-03, 1:19 pm |
| Um, a common mistake is to not wire in the on/off button at the front of the computer. | |
| ruscorp 2004-05-03, 1:28 pm |
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Originally posted by thebonzodog
Um, a common mistake is to not wire in the on/off button at the front of the computer.
I fixed that video problem. I didn't seat the AGP card coorectly.
I always have a problem getting the damn leds to work. The green power led does go on.
This power is a Shuttle AK32VN. | |
| thebonzodog 2004-05-03, 1:51 pm |
| Do the fans all go around properly, and can you get to the Bios screen? | |
| ruscorp 2004-05-03, 2:06 pm |
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Originally posted by thebonzodog
Do the fans all go around properly, and can you get to the Bios screen?
Oh that problem was fixed.
I seated the AGP card incorrectly.
Now the problem is I just can get that damned power LED to turn green when you press power.
I always have problems with the chassis wires. | |
| azimuth40 2004-05-03, 7:25 pm |
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Originally posted by ruscorp
Oh that problem was fixed.
I seated the AGP card incorrectly.
Now the problem is I just can get that damned power LED to turn green when you press power.
I always have problems with the chassis wires.
It is a Light Emitting Diode my friend. Current can only flow one way negative to positive. If it does not light reverse the connector as you have it plugged in backwards. | |
| ruscorp 2004-05-03, 7:30 pm |
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Originally posted by azimuth40
It is a Light Emitting Diode my friend. Current can only flow one way negative to positive. If it does not light reverse the connector as you have it plugged in backwards.
Well here's the thing. The case has a 3-pin thingy for the power LED and the mobo only has a place for + and - which is only two spaces. | |
| azimuth40 2004-05-04, 1:58 am |
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Originally posted by ruscorp
Well here's the thing. The case has a 3-pin thingy for the power LED and the mobo only has a place for + and - which is only two spaces.
No problem I see them all the time. Look at the connector on the side you will see that there is a tiny plastic strip that holds the metal female socket on the end of the wire in place. Normally you can use an Xacto knife blade to raise the plastic up. The wire with socket will pull right out. Slide it into the middle hole and you are good to go. Unless you can figure out which is plus and minus you have a 50/50 try of selecting the correct wire.
Once the wires are next to each other the connector hole with out a wire will generally hang over the side of the motherboard berg pin connector. | |
| ruscorp 2004-05-04, 8:53 am |
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Originally posted by azimuth40
No problem I see them all the time. Look at the connector on the side you will see that there is a tiny plastic strip that holds the metal female socket on the end of the wire in place. Normally you can use an Xacto knife blade to raise the plastic up. The wire with socket will pull right out. Slide it into the middle hole and you are good to go. Unless you can figure out which is plus and minus you have a 50/50 try of selecting the correct wire.
Once the wires are next to each other the connector hole with out a wire will generally hang over the side of the motherboard berg pin connector.
So you want me to yank the wire on the left or right out and move it to the center so it's only two holes and the other just hovers uselssly over the mobo?
Are there any kitchen tools I can use? | |
| azimuth40 2004-05-04, 10:03 am |
| Anything thin enough and small enough, doesn't have to be very strong. If you have tough fingernails you could probably do it. The plastic bends up very easily, take a close look at the connector and it really becomes very obvious. I keep a cheap dollar Xacto knife in my kit just for such things. It is really how most techs even on the bench change them. | |
| ruscorp 2004-05-04, 11:39 am |
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Originally posted by azimuth40
Anything thin enough and small enough, doesn't have to be very strong. If you have tough fingernails you could probably do it. The plastic bends up very easily, take a close look at the connector and it really becomes very obvious. I keep a cheap dollar Xacto knife in my kit just for such things. It is really how most techs even on the bench change them.
I guess if I wanted to be a wuss I could buy one of these: http://www.directron.com/3pinled.html
That would be now fun though. So what are the odds I screw this up by yanking the wire wrong or yanking the wrong one out?
I found this from dslreports.com, check it out and tell me what you think:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9876440 | |
| azimuth40 2004-05-04, 2:30 pm |
| It describes exactly what I am suggesting. :}
Oh and they are pretty sturdy really hard to screw it up. | |
| yanqui 2004-05-04, 2:34 pm |
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Originally posted by azimuth40
It describes exactly what I am suggesting. :}
Oh and they are pretty sturdy really hard to screw it up.
But hey, Rus, that doesn't mean you can't try!
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| ruscorp 2004-05-04, 3:03 pm |
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Originally posted by yanqui
But hey, Rus, that doesn't mean you can't try!
It worked and I only stabbed myself 3 times.
Now off to figure out why the HDD LED always stays red. |
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