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| bearing 2003-06-12, 8:26 am |
| As you may have seen, read or heard in the news Tony and his cronies are considering signing up to the new EU Constitution, this document will basicly create a virtual United States of Europe.
Tony Blair doesn't believe the British people deserve to have a say on this momentous issue and has refused demands for a referendum. So the Daily Mail have arranged a national referendum of their own.
To be able to vote, click the link below.
Vote Here | |
| onoski 2003-06-12, 8:31 am |
| It would be good for the economy in the long run or what's your say on this. Think long term sir | |
| bearing 2003-06-12, 8:44 am |
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Originally posted by onoski
It would be good for the economy in the long run or what's your say on this. Think long term sir
Would it be good though, on one hand you have the pro europeans saying that our economy would collapse if we didn't join up, but then the anti's are saying that it would be more beneficial for our economy. So who do you believe..
Anyway There's only one reason that Blair wants us in and fast and that's so he can become President of the United States of Europe. | |
| onoski 2003-06-12, 9:09 am |
| Regardless of what Tony Blair wants, joining the single currency would bring benefits to the economy at large. If you studied economics at school you would know what am trying to relay here. Look at the united states of America for instance it has the strongest economy owing to a huge market as well as the popularity of the single currency which is the dollar in this case. I hope this sheds some light in your quest for enlightment, do feel free to post any further comments however I'd advise you to do a search on google about the pro's and con's of joining the single currency. Cheers. | |
| thecomeons 2003-06-12, 9:53 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by bearing
tonly one reason that Blair wants us in and fast and that's so he can become President of the United States of Europe.
and, like, that's going to happen?
i reacon it will fall to the frenchies or them there people that bombed our chipshop. | |
| MistyRing 2003-06-12, 10:12 am |
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If you studied economics at school you would know what am trying to relay here. Look at the united states of America for instance it has the strongest economy owing to a huge market as well as the popularity of the single currency which is the dollar in this case.
Arguably the Japanese economy has been stronger than that of the US over the last 30 years, yet despite most of it's sales being made up from exports, it shares no single currency with it's neighbours. | |
| jason892 2003-06-12, 10:35 am |
| Hey guys, I know I'm intruding on a uk only thread here, but I would like to inject my opinion. How can all of your countries expect to co-exist in a single form? The U.S. is made up of a bunch of different states, but those states never really had a feeling of their own nationality. What is going to happen the first time the Germans disagree with the French? Or worse yet one of the smaller countries disagrees with the UK? Is this Union going to go to war the way America did in the Civil War to keep the Union from splitting? So you say that it will be a "loose" union. I don't believe you can have a "loose" union when one "state's" actions affect the economic viablility of another "state". Is France willing to take one for the team if it means that they will loose dominance in an area they once possessed? I'm not picking on France because of the recent events in the U.N. You can swap any nation in that sentence and I believe you will get the same answer. So far in the last couple hundred years, we've had the League of Nations, and the U.N. The League failed. How close did the U.N. come to self destructing over Iraq? And there is no currency ties in those countries. | |
| enforcer 2003-06-12, 10:47 am |
| I think the current question is, do we want TB to put us into the United Staes of Europe without our say so.
I think we deserve the chance to vote on this, which is what bearings thread is about. | |
| onoski 2003-06-12, 11:21 am |
| QUOTE: Originally posted by MistyRing
Arguably the Japanese economy has been stronger than that of the US over the last 30 years, yet despite most of it's sales being made up from exports, it shares no single currency with it's neighbours.
I think you are deviating from the point as this is not a matter of a nation standing alone. However, you should also know that Japan is not part or Europe but Asia. The UK is part of the EU and hence has every right to join the single currency at some point in time. So, if a lot of the British society and citizen feel strongly about the issue of the single currency then maybe she should not have joined period as she was not forced into it. | |
| enforcer 2003-06-12, 11:24 am |
| What we orginally joined was not a United States of Europe, the whole has evolved, and while that might have been right for us at the begining, the way it's going it might not be right for us in the future | |
| yanqui 2003-06-12, 12:54 pm |
| Is there anything in your current constitution, or what equals the constitution in the US, whatever it's called, that gives him the power to do that? That's what Bearing's original quesion was--should he be allowed to sign without your approval. Perhaps the first question is "IS he allowed to do that?" If he hasn't the power, then you need to make sure that nothing passes to give him that power, and if he has it already, you need to see if that power has exceptions and/or limitations. A move of that magnitude will have dramatic effects on your country. All of the European countries have not only different currencies but different economies, and they differ not only in strength but in nature and scope as well, and in their trade philosophies. All of those things would have to be reconciled and that would be a herculean task, if possible at all.
I believe that eventually it will happen, and I really don't believe that you'll have any say in it, whether you ought to have or whether it's already written that you don't have. If there is any protest, it won't be big enough to make a ripple. I'm sorry that it will happen, because I think it will mean the end of divergence and richness of culture for Europe and in the end I don't think any of the countries will be well-served by it.
Come what may, good luck with it. | |
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| The people of Britain voted to join the Common Market, nothing more. | |
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| "I think you are deviating from the point as this is not a matter of a nation standing alone. However, you should also know that Japan is not part or Europe but Asia. The UK is part of the EU and hence has every right to join the single currency at some point in time. So, if a lot of the British society and citizen feel strongly about the issue of the single currency then maybe she should not have joined period as she was not forced into it. " originally posted by onoski
The UK has every right to be part of the Common Market,now known as the EU and still retain the pound as its currency.
Joining the Euro could lead to the UK filling the pension blackhole which is building in Euroland | |
| WPFossil 2003-06-12, 3:46 pm |
| For UK people only?
So you can reply only if you went to the University of Kentucky?
Interesting. | |
| yanqui 2003-06-12, 3:54 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by foggy
I think you are deviating from the point as this is not a matter of a nation standing alone.
I don't think it's a matter of simply standing alone--I think it's a matter of every citizen thinking deeply about the consequences, positive and negative, that such a move could have on your country, and also to determine if your Prime Minister is acting within his authority or if he's overstepping. | |
| onoski 2003-06-12, 5:45 pm |
| That was originally my post, pls foggy use the quote next time otherwise you'd be speaking to my lawyer next. Seriously, though use the quote next time as it's not your text. | |
| HOOLIGAN 2003-06-12, 7:52 pm |
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Originally posted by enforcer
I think the current question is, do we want TB to put us into the United Staes of Europe without our say so.
I think we deserve the chance to vote on this, which is what bearings thread is about.
Agreed. | |
| bearing 2003-06-13, 2:41 am |
| Don't get me wrong on this, I have no real problem with Europe/Europeans, I love holidaying in France, I like the people of France but I don't want to be a fellow countryman of theirs.
There are so many cultural differences within Europe, we are not European our way of life is pretrty much alien to them, our life is more akin to our American friends. Just look at the complete and utter hatred aimed at the UK for daring to stand side by side with the USA over Iraq(my thoughts on that subject put aside), don't forget once we sign up to this we will no longer have control of our armed forces, our taxes, our interest rates.
It was interesting to discover that only three countries are net contributers to the EU, those countries are France, the UK and Germany, all the rest get more back than they put in, do you really want your hard work and taxes go to help the people of Poland et al, who have basically joined to improve their lot....
Don't let thousands of Years of Independance end without having your say... | |
| peterd 2003-06-13, 2:56 am |
| hi guys,
I'm pretty sure (as one who actually voted) that we didn't vote to join the Common Market (as it was then).
Our government took us into the CM and after a while they put it to a referendum with the point that they'd spent millions of pounds getting us in and it would be wasted money if we voted to pull out.
The vote to STAY IN wasn't a vote to join, and it wasn't totally for staying in either, it was a pretty close run event.
That was then...now I think we'd vote to pull out if given another chance, which is why Scumbag Blair won't allow us any kind of say in the matter.
As someone mentioned earlier, there's no reason why we shouldn't be part of the European trading alliance without being full members of every hair-brained scheme that the French and Germans dream up to enhance their own countries.
We actually have a great deal of power in our dealings with the EU but our government either don't recognise it or they're afraid to use it. The rest of the EU desperately need the UK inside and under control or we'd wipe the floor with their economies in a free fight.
The thing that bothers me most is looking at Germany...
a few years ago they had a great economy and a strong Mark, then they re-unified with East Germany and went rapidly downhill as the costs hit home.
In a little while several other 'eastern' countries will join the EU and I think the financial strain will be too much. We need to wait and see what the outcome is before getting further involved as we may need to be pulling out altogether in a year or two.
And I can't help thinking that if Scumbag Blair takes us in without a vote, then in a few years time my grand-children will be fighting a war against the other EU countries to re-gain the freedom that Scumbag Blair is so happy to give away.
Regards
Peter | |
| bearing 2003-06-13, 3:14 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by peterd
Our government took us into the CM and after a while they put it to a referendum with the point that they'd spent millions of pounds getting us in and it would be wasted money if we voted to pull out.
The vote to STAY IN wasn't a vote to join, and it wasn't totally for staying in either, it was a pretty close run event.
Funny you should mention the money spent when we joined up to the common market, did you know that Blair and his cronies passed a resolution to allow billions of pounds to be spent on advertising for entry to the EU, Euro etc, but none to those who are fighting against...
Wasn't the vote sought of rigged, I remember Harold Wilson saying recently that he pretty much conned the country into voting yes...I could be wrong though. I'll have to do a google search on it.
On a point which may interest those in the US, the fine folk in Brussels are trying to get the Euro recognised as an equal or maybe a better in the buying of Crude oil.
EuroOil | |
| onoski 2003-06-13, 4:42 am |
| Hi Bearing,
It is good to see from reading your post that you have gained a much valid insight on the whole EU issue and the single currency. Well done mate as many hands makes load lighter as petred mentioned in he's post about Germany, but done forget what goes up must come down (law of gravity} as it only takes time. Look at Japan for instance they once had a strong Yen and huge market base, but what's happening now. This is not an issue of opinions as from just reading some of your post I can conclude that is about power, greed, selfishness and lack of insight for the future. | |
| MistyRing 2003-06-13, 7:20 am |
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I think you are deviating from the point as this is not a matter of a nation standing alone. However, you should also know that Japan is not part or Europe but Asia.
Doh... Gee thanks for pointing that out ononski. And here was me thinking Japan was just off the coast of Ireland as well... | |
| enforcer 2003-06-13, 7:28 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by MistyRing
And here was me thinking Japan was just off the coast of Ireland as well...
shhhhhhhhh! don't tell thecomeons  | |
| foggy 2003-06-13, 12:05 pm |
| The last time the UK aligned its currency to the Europeans was when it joined the ERM and we all know what a disaster that turned out to be. | |
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| bearing: "do you really want your hard work and taxes go to help the people of Poland et al, who have basically joined to improve their lot...."
Life is about more than just self-gratification, help your less fortunate neighbour, and lets make up for the gross abuse the uk heaped upon the world during the 'empire'? | |
| foggy 2003-06-13, 12:54 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by A5H
bearing: "do you really want your hard work and taxes go to help the people of Poland et al, who have basically joined to improve their lot...."
Life is about more than just self-gratification, help your less fortunate neighbour, and lets make up for the gross abuse the uk heaped upon the world during the 'empire'?
So, you are saying that the UK should join the Euro because it will help other countries?
What about doing whats right for the UK? | |
| yanqui 2003-06-13, 12:56 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by A5H
Life is about more than just self-gratification, help your less fortunate neighbour, and lets make up for the gross abuse the uk heaped upon the world during the 'empire'?
How, exactly, does one do that? Here in the states we hear about slavery reparations. Lots of people think it's a great idea, but nobody seems to want to dig in and work out the logistics, it's all just, well, someone ought to give the decendents of slaves some money. Also, how do you justify enslaving those of your nation who had nothing to do with the "empire?" Those who have moved into the UK after that time period aren't decendents of those responsible for that you consider to be atrocities. I didn't own slaves, none of my ancestors owned slaves, how can the government justify making me pay for something my ancestors stood against?
Also, if life is more than just self gratification, what do the overburdened economies bring to the EU?\
And again, I really have to ask, does anyone really know if the PRime Minister has the authority to take such a step on his own? Does Parliament at least get a say in it? Would it be possible to "lobby" Parliament to get them to put a check on his ability to do that without a referendum, the way we lobby our Congress and state legislatures here in the states?
HElping the neighbor is great--but not if you can look ahead and see that it's self-destructive in the long run. | |
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| i think we should have a choice, and i think tb could take us into this with a parliamentary vote.
i'm not saying we should pay back victims, as such, i just think people should have a more generous attitude to other people, when our nation has a lot to answer for. just my opinion. | |
| yanqui 2003-06-13, 1:24 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by A5H
i'm not saying we should pay back victims, as such, i just think people should have a more generous attitude to other people, when our nation has a lot to answer for. just my opinion.
Name one that doesn't. Every nation on this earth has done things not very nice in its own interest, either to other nations or to its own citizens.
If your nation is already assisting in world relief efforts, it's already answering. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by A5H
i think we should have a choice, and i think tb could take us into this with a parliamentary vote.
i'm not saying we should pay back victims, as such, i just think people should have a more generous attitude to other people, when our nation has a lot to answer for. just my opinion.
Please feel free to make donations with your money,not mine. | |
| onoski 2003-06-14, 6:31 am |
| Why don't you just go away foggy, the indispensable being. | |
| foggy 2003-06-14, 10:51 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by onoski
Why don't you just go away foggy, the indispensable being.
Oh dear, have I upset you? | |
| S0ylentK 2003-06-15, 4:48 pm |
| Let’s think this through, what is best for the UK
To be part of something bigger or to stay out?
Just for a second don’t think of where you live as a country but as a child in a school play ground. You have your own identity background ect.
Do the three inseparable children called Briton, Scotland & Wales team up with a group of 15 who collectively call them selves Euro, who are ruffle the same age as them, live relatively close and one of them is a close relative called Ireland.?
The could join up with there younger cousins who go buy the family name of USA, Ok there are 50 of them But they are still young, they have a tendency to bully other children to get there own way (i.e. extra lunch money) and always compare all 50 of them to our trio and clam they are better.
Or do the trio stay independent? With the family history that may have been possible but the play ground is getting to small these days and so a choice is join or be left out.
Just in case you were wondering what the other children are like
Therese a set of children that want join the euros as they used to be headed by one child but it abused them and is now kissing to the usa’s to help it.
There are two brothers who hate each other so much over another child that says it wants to be its own person but the brothers clam it should be looked after by them that each has gone and got them self’s a gun and are pointing it at each other.
Recently a child who has drugs and is just slightly short of a few marbles, it did have a spat with the usa’s, after which the usa’s said they would help but every body forgot about it and now the child seems to be going lala again.
The reason the last child was forgotten about was because the usa’s had a grudge against another child who the usa’s had given some nasty stuff to so it could be used against its cousin, but then the usa’s were worried that this child might use it against them and told every one in the playground, to which this child tried to pretend that it still had some in the belief that it could use it to scare other children with, the usa’s gave this child a bloody nose and then emptied out its pockets saying it wasn’t lying when nothing was found.
One child who has ties with the usa’s is sitting on top of another and resents that child of trying to punch it.
Another child has diamonds in its pockets but also a split personality which wants the wealth so you have this child who is betting its self up rather than let its other personality have some. This is better than some of the very poorest children who have nothing and are also betting themselves up rather than try and deal with the problem.
If I have left any children out please fell free to say so. If there is something wrong with the grammar I don’t care  my dyslexia made me in to who I am, so be happy I at least put it through a spell checker for you. | |
| wbafrank 2003-06-15, 4:50 pm |
| All I can say is keep Britain, British.
We are an island lets keep it that way. | |
| bearing 2003-06-16, 3:00 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by A5H
Life is about more than just self-gratification, help your less fortunate neighbour,
Agree totally with you here, Yes I'd much rather help those less unfortunate than myself, but not those in another country. I'd be much happier if my taxes went towards helping the 3.2 million children in this country who live below the poverty line.
quote:
and lets make up for the gross abuse the uk heaped upon the world during the 'empire'?
Agree again, but while we're at it let's all go to Rome and complain about the abuse their soldiers dished out to the people of Britain all those years ago. | |
| onoski 2003-06-16, 4:40 am |
| You selfish ppl, all I could say is that remember no man is an island. | |
| enforcer 2003-06-16, 4:53 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by onoski
You selfish ppl, all I could say is that remember no man is an island.
Maybe not, but there some i would like to give a wide berth. | |
| thecomeons 2003-06-16, 5:25 am |
| i say let start barricading the ports and stopping european imports. | |
| MistyRing 2003-06-16, 7:17 am |
| Awwww but then we won't get all the cheap wine that the French ship over coz it's too crap for them to drink. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by A5H
bearing: "do you really want your hard work and taxes go to help the people of Poland et al, who have basically joined to improve their lot...."
Life is about more than just self-gratification, help your less fortunate neighbour, and lets make up for the gross abuse the uk heaped upon the world during the 'empire'?
I am sure the British are looking forward to receiving compensation from the Roman Empire. | |
| bearing 2003-06-16, 8:25 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by onoski
You selfish ppl, all I could say is that remember no man is an island.
Okay then onoski, a hypothetical question for you.
Your local council have bought the houses to your immediate right and left, the reason they have bought them is to house immigrants. The houses have been converted to flats for the purpose, twenty people will be housed in each.
Are you pleased to be living next door to these people, or is your house up for sale? | |
| enforcer 2003-06-16, 8:52 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by bearing
Are you pleased to be living next door to these people, or is your house up for sale?
In that sceanario, he's not going to be able to sell that house, except to the local council | |
| onoski 2003-06-16, 9:25 am |
| QUOTE: Originally posted by bearing Okay then onoski, a hypothetical question for you.
Your local council have bought the houses to your immediate right and left, the reason they have bought them is to house immigrants. The houses have been converted to flats for the purpose, twenty people will be housed in each.
Are you pleased to be living next door to these people, or is your house up for sale?
What exactly is your point, you can't leave close to immigrants? Well point taken, no further contributions. Remember though, no man is an island. | |
| yanqui 2003-06-16, 9:37 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by S0ylentK
clam they are better.
Clam? We have those. And we are better.
Recently a child who has drugs and is just slightly short of a few marbles,
That would be.....you?
Another child has diamonds in its pockets but also a split personality which wants the wealth so you have this child who is betting its self up rather than let its other personality have some. This is better than some of the very poorest children who have nothing and are also betting themselves up rather than try and deal with the problem.
First, What country is represented by this? Second, What do you suggest, that every country that has a little surplus give it all up to countries that keep NOT doing the things that will bring them prosperity? My sister is a waitress in a restaurant. It's what she says she wants to do, but she complains all the time about people having more money than she does. I can't get her to understand that they're doing the things that bring in more money, like learning to do things that the world is prepared to pay more for than waitresses do. You can't bring rain to the desert, and yet people seem to think that the United States has a responsibility to provide for people who insist on trying to grow crops there. DUH!
If I have left any children out please fell free to say so. If there is something wrong with the grammar I don’t care my dyslexia made me in to who I am, so be happy I at least put it through a spell checker for you.
And that you don't care about your grammar is obvious. I'm sorry for your dislexia, but you need to invest in a grammar checker too.
Now that you've ranted against the United States, do you still have no idea whether Tony Blair has the authority to make this move without consent of either Parliament or the people? | |
| bearing 2003-06-16, 12:43 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by onoski
What exactly is your point, you can't leave close to immigrants? Well point taken, no further contributions. Remember though, no man is an island.
Que?
I thought the point would have been obvious.
I was checking how far your unselfish lifestyle could be pushed.
Basically I wanted to know whether you were a 'NIMBY', or stood by your convictions by saying that you would quite happily live among them. | |
| wbafrank 2003-06-16, 3:38 pm |
| .... next they will want us to drive on the wrong side of the road!! | |
| yanqui 2003-06-16, 3:39 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by wbafrank
.... next they will want us to drive on the wrong side of the road!!
What we on this side of the pond wish is that you'd drive over here like you do over there--it would make it so much more fun for us. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by wbafrank
.... next they will want us to drive on the wrong side of the road!!
Is the left side the right side? | |
| wbafrank 2003-06-16, 3:44 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by yanqui
What we on this side of the pond wish is that you'd drive over here like you do over there--it would make it so much more fun for us.
You should see it over here when non-UK people come across a roundabout .... | |
| yanqui 2003-06-16, 3:50 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by wbafrank
You should see it over here when non-UK people come across a roundabout ....
Oh,yeah, I can imagine! They're the same people who can't navigate one over here. | |
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| peterd 2003-06-17, 3:01 am |
| Hi Guys,
to answer Yanqui...
we have no formal, written constitution as such, only Parliamentary rules and legal case-laws that have evolved over many centuries.
This works well while we have a government that is prepared to follow the rules, but then eventaully along comes a scum-bag like Blair who has no concept of history and he blows it all out of the water.
He can do pretty much as he pleases as he has a vast majority in the House of Commons...mostly people who know that they'd be out of work without Blair in power so they've backed all of his hair-brained schemes so far.
The good news is there's evidence that people are starting to see him for the moron that he is and hopefully his days are numbered.
What gets me is that his supporters seem to have the idea that they'll be in power forever and they can't understand that any changes that they make to give themselves un-imaginable power will be equally valid if the opposition get back in...
they only think for the moment and what's in it for themselves!
Regards
Peter | |
| enforcer 2003-06-17, 3:44 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by bearing
I pity those that stumble across the 'Magic Roundabout' in Swindon, they probably just turn around and find another way out..
First you see the sign...
http://www.swindonweb.com/life/magicsign.jpg
Then you get to the nightmare...
http://www.swindonweb.com/life/magi01.jpg
that's a nice easy one, try the one in Hemel Hempstead
http://www.hemelweb.demon.co.uk/images/magic.gif
Now Hemel Hempstead is a thriving town of 80,000 people, the most famous landmark probably being the "magic" roundabout, which infact is a series of small roundabouts around one big one. It used to be called the Plough roundabout but the "Magic" roundabout, or the funny roundabout, as it tends to be called, was built to cope with the increased congestion that came as Hemel grew. On the first day of operation in June 1973, traffic came to a standstill and backed up to Berkhamsted. Drivers eventually got used to it although you still see the odd trilby hatted motorist causing chaos and looking totally lost on the roundabout.
http://www.hemelhempsteadtoday.co.uk/ftpinc/pictures/general/818_1.jpg | |
| bearing 2003-06-17, 4:15 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by peterd
Hi Guys,
to answer Yanqui...
we have no formal, written constitution as such, only Parliamentary rules and legal case-laws that have evolved over many centuries.
This works well while we have a government that is prepared to follow the rules, but then eventaully along comes a scum-bag like Blair who has no concept of history and he blows it all out of the water.
Although he does have to run it by the Queen first, which is just a formality as I don't think she has any clout. Bring back Queen Victoria - " I say, this man's an idiot, take him to the tower and off with his head"
The thing that really makes me sick about Blair, is his ability to just ignore the common folk, it's as if we're just a bunch of naughty children, who if ignored will eventually get bored and go away. Well Mr. Blair, one day you'll wake up and find that the carpet has been pulled away from under your feet. | |
| yanqui 2003-06-17, 8:18 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by peterd
Hi Guys,
we have no formal, written constitution as such, only Parliamentary rules and legal case-laws that have evolved over many centuries.
This works well while we have a government that is prepared to follow the rules, but then eventaully along comes a scum-bag like Blair who has no concept of history and he blows it all out of the water.
He can do pretty much as he pleases as he has a vast majority in the House of Commons...mostly people who know that they'd be out of work without Blair in power so they've backed all of his hair-brained schemes so far.
Regards
Peter
Wow! First, thanks for the civics lesson. I have lived in a constitutional federal democratic republic all my life and I knew about the similarities in our governments but that one difference is powerful. I think that's one thing our founders did right, put checks on the powers of all the branches of gov't. I know, things don't always work properly and according to the original intent. But at least on paper we have power limits in place, and it's always a pretty good thing when we have one party in power in the white house and the other party in power in Congress. While nothing gets done, at least nobody gets steamrollered.
It probably never came to be important on many things in the past, but in light of this situation, where one person has the power to decide the future of the nation, does it seem at all important to put limits on his power now? | |
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| bearing 2003-06-17, 9:38 am |
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Originally posted by yanqui
I'm not driving in UK--ever. I can't afford to visit there long enough to learn how to do it, so that's something I'll just have to hire. That roundabout must be something to see--I'll make sure it's on my itinerary. Wish I could say I'll see it while it still looks like the photo.
Practice at home, get yourself into the car, start the engine, put it in gear, head onto the left hand side of the road and then jump into the passenger seat.
Hey Presto you're driving the British way... | |
| yanqui 2003-06-17, 10:12 am |
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Originally posted by bearing
Practice at home, get yourself into the car, start the engine, put it in gear, head onto the left hand side of the road and then jump into the passenger seat.
Hey Presto you're driving the British way...
HEad on into oncoming traffic without being able to operate the vehicle? That explains a lot.
"Mind the cow, Richard."
"It's on the other side of the fence, Hyacinth."
"Well, it might jump over, mightn't it?"
"Minding the cow, Hyacinth."
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| thecomeons 2003-06-17, 10:26 am |
| i'd say she was a bit of a goer in her day. | |
| yanqui 2003-06-17, 10:28 am |
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i'd say she was a bit of a goer in her day.
Okay, you lost me in the translation across the Atlantic. What's a "goer?" I mean, apart from someone who goes. | |
| enforcer 2003-06-17, 10:33 am |
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Originally posted by yanqui
Okay, you lost me in the translation across the Atlantic. What's a "goer?" I mean, apart from someone who goes.
goer - hot babe, woman who could put it about a bit | |
| S0ylentK 2003-06-17, 10:35 am |
| First
Recently a child who has drugs and is just slightly short of a few marbles
is Afghanistan and the Taliban
Secondly
[B]Another child has diamonds in its pockets but also a split personality which wants the wealth so you have this child who is betting its self up rather than let its other personality have some
Is either Liberia or the Ivory Coast
Then
This is better than some of the very poorest children who have nothing and are also betting themselves up rather than try and deal with the problem.
Is Ethiopia to just mention one of several third world countries with a civil war.
Just encase you hadn’t guest the brothers with guns means India & Pakistan with there nukes.
“Now that you've ranted against the United States” this was not a rant against the United States it’s just they have been more active.
And that you don't care about your grammar is obvious
Oh because you are so smart, that you don’t think “For UK people only” applies to you. The reason I said that was so people would not write in saying something along the lines of don’t you mean ‘their’ instead of the word ‘there’ or something like that.
Now the point of ‘do you still have no idea whether Tony Blair has the authority to make this move without consent of either Parliament or the people?’
The prime minister has the authority to signing up to the new EU Constitution, but must follow the following path
Step 1. A bill must be introduced to the House of Commons if it is successful then go to step 2.
Step 2. the house of lords look at it make any suggestions, if it is successful then go to step 3. if not go to step 1 unless this is the third time then go to step 3.
Step 3 the bill is then given to the King or Queen to sign in to the statute books. But the monarch still reserves the right to say no. (but it is acknowledged even if the monarch is apposed to it they must stay out of anything political)
If the prime minister decides to have a referendum then he/she goes to the Houses of Parliament and says he/she wants a referendum if it is successful then go to step 3
So yes I knew …. | |
| bearing 2003-06-17, 10:39 am |
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Originally posted by S0ylentK
First
Recently a child who has drugs and is just slightly short of a few marbles
is Afghanistan and the Taliban
Secondly
[B]Another child has diamonds in its pockets but also a split personality which wants the wealth so you have this child who is betting its self up rather than let its other personality have some
Is either Liberia or the Ivory Coast
Then
This is better than some of the very poorest children who have nothing and are also betting themselves up rather than try and deal with the problem.
Is Ethiopia to just mention one of several third world countries with a civil war.
Just encase you hadn’t guest the brothers with guns means India & Pakistan with there nukes.
“Now that you've ranted against the United States” this was not a rant against the United States it’s just they have been more active.
And that you don't care about your grammar is obvious
Oh because you are so smart, that you don’t think “For UK people only” applies to you. The reason I said that was so people would not write in saying something along the lines of don’t you mean ‘their’ instead of the word ‘there’ or something like that.
Now the point of ‘do you still have no idea whether Tony Blair has the authority to make this move without consent of either Parliament or the people?’
The prime minister has the authority to signing up to the new EU Constitution, but must follow the following path
Step 1. A bill must be introduced to the House of Commons if it is successful then go to step 2.
Step 2. the house of lords look at it make any suggestions, if it is successful then go to step 3. if not go to step 1 unless this is the third time then go to step 3.
Step 3 the bill is then given to the King or Queen to sign in to the statute books. But the monarch still reserves the right to say no. (but it is acknowledged even if the monarch is apposed to it they must stay out of anything political)
If the prime minister decides to have a referendum then he/she goes to the Houses of Parliament and says he/she wants a referendum if it is successful then go to step 3
So yes I knew ….
Too late mate, we've changed the subject... | |
| yanqui 2003-06-17, 10:50 am |
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Originally posted by bearing
Too late mate, we've changed the subject...
That's okay, he's the guy who laughs at the comedian when he says "You've been a great audience" because he just got the first joke.
Listen, Soiled Brown Stuff, I never stuck in an opinion on which way this issue should go. I did say what I think will eventually happen, and that was the extent of my opinion. I was asking questions because I'm interested in how the folks on the other side of the pond are going to feel about what looks to be inevitable, and what the can and will do about it in either direction. I suspect that you had to go look up the answer to my most important question, because there were only two posts on this issue that seemed to know exactly what could occur. I'm sure the person who started this thread didn't really think that nobody from the US would weigh in on this, because although the most direct impact will be to GB, then to all of the EC, the rest of the world will be affected. Besides, this forum is populated globally, and VERY heavily by Americans. This isn't the place to post anything someone else isn't allowed to read. Stupid! | |
| MistyRing 2003-06-17, 10:50 am |
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They all seem to hesitate for ages before pulling off in front of some irate kid in his Mobile jukebox
Sick perverts!
Pity Ray from BB didn't hesitate a bit longer - like say another 6 weeks or so... | |
| S0ylentK 2003-06-17, 10:57 am |
| The reason we drive on the left is because of a pope in the middle ages, he decried that people who are on a pilgrimages should travel on the left so if any one attempted to rob them they could pull out their sward more easily and defend them selves, so every one went that’s a good idea well all travel on the left hand side.
Later Napoleon said something along the lines of I want people to get out of the way when I am using the road so get them all to walk on the right hand side so they can see if I am coming (obviously in a French accent), so everyone in the French empire change and seeing as the empire was most of mainland Europe the rest is obvious, but the English who were at war with Napoleon said **** frenchy were staying on the left.
So in hind sight you have a protestant country who are following a papist edict and catholic countries who are defying it. At least the universe has a sense of humour. | |
| enforcer 2003-06-17, 10:58 am |
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Sick perverts!
Pity Ray from BB didn't hesitate a bit longer - like say another 6 weeks or so...
Pity Ray's parents didn't hesitate a bit longer - like say 30 years | |
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| S0ylentK 2003-06-17, 11:22 am |
| Thanks bearing
[said in a non aggressive tone]
O.K. the topic change and I’m Sorry, I’m a lot quicker orally than when I am typing and also my real life takes precedence over my online life [/said in a non aggressive tone] | |
| bearing 2003-06-17, 11:38 am |
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Originally posted by S0ylentK
Thanks bearing
[said in a non aggressive tone]
O.K. the topic change and I’m Sorry, I’m a lot quicker orally than when I am typing and also my real life takes precedence over my online life [/said in a non aggressive tone]
Don't think that I was flaming you.
I was just trying to bring a bit of lightheartedness into the thread as it was getting a little heavy, once you've been around a while you'll notice how subjects change(usually into the gutter ) quicker than you can blink your eyes.. | |
| yanqui 2003-06-17, 11:42 am |
| ...and in a stunning turn of events, Bearing has become the voice of reason. | |
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| wbafrank 2003-06-17, 3:21 pm |
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Originally posted by yanqui
...and in a stunning turn of events, Bearing has become the voice of reason.
Who you trying to kid .......? | |
| wbafrank 2003-06-17, 3:21 pm |
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Originally posted by yanqui
...and in a stunning turn of events, Bearing has become the voice of reason.
Who you trying to kid .......? | |
| enforcer 2003-06-18, 3:37 am |
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Originally posted by wbafrank
Who you trying to kid .......?
Probably pooh bear |
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