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| DemiGod 2003-03-18, 8:02 am |
| Since the forum is made up of people from all over the world, I think it's a great place to get honest opinions. So please, share with me and the other members your thougths on the situation in Irag.
Should Mr. Hussein leave Iraq?
Do you think the United States is right to take military action?
Do you support President Busch?
What are your thoughts on France's position?
Do you think the United Nations is taking the correct approach? | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-18, 8:24 am |
| QUOTE] Should Mr. Hussein leave Iraq? [/QUOTE]
Yes, he should leave Iraq. Anyone that can gas his own people, shouldn't be leading those people, or speaking for them.
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Do you think the United States is right to take military action?
Yes, we do. Unfortunately the rest of the world as shown its inability to act in the best interest of is citizens. We don't have those same post cold war views any longer.
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Do you support President Busch?
Damn Right. He is the first president that does what he believes to be in the best interest of this country regardless of public opinion. We don't elect people to office to be drones of society. We elect people to make decisions based on the information THEY have. I don't want my President asking my permission to protect my family. That is implied when he takes office.
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What are your thoughts on France's position?
France is entitled to their opinions. Fortunately I am entitled to boycott French products. I'm all for sending France a bill for all money they received from the US citizens, who they so quickly and adamantly SOLD OUT!!! They don't care about peace. They only care about their bottom line, and that bottom line says that Saddam owes them BIG TIME...
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Do you think the United Nations is taking the correct approach?
The United Nations is a weak-governing body. They have yet to disarm Saddam, but most of all they have yet to protect his people. This is their job and once again the US is doing their Job for them. Fortunately most Iraqi's welcome the liberation attempt, and I only hope they remember who stood against them in their time of need. As the French seem to forget who helped them in theirs.
Just my opinion. | |
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| First I am not of fan of saddam.
I have a few issue with this war.
I am confused as how we switched suddenly from hunting Bin Laden to hunting Saddam.
Who says that the ppl of Iraq wants Saddam out.
Where is the proof of weapons of mass distruction, they are talking about?.
When you drop bombs on Bagdad who suffers more Saddam and his son, or the innocent ppl that Bush is trying to "free".
I am all for outsing Saddam but Bush Jr is taking the same approach as Bush Sr, shoot first talk later.
North Korea, has done 2 things:
shiped biochemical material, and ran UN observers out of their country,
yet they were not given any ultimatum and their ppl are crying for help..
Surprisingly, Blair has no opinion on the North Korean incident , or is he waiting on Master Bush to voice his opinion first, then second it.
And coincidentally, America just test the Mother of all Bombs, whilst looking to disarm Iraq.
As i said no fan of Saddam, But more so I HATE war. | |
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| mindmesh 2003-03-18, 8:52 am |
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I am confused as how we switched suddenly from hunting Bin Laden to hunting Saddam.
We keep catching Terrorists. Just because the media focuses on Iraq doesn't mean we arent' going after terrorists.
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Who says that the ppl of Iraq wants Saddam out.
The Shites to the South and the Kurds to the north, both want Saddam out and they make up the Majority of Iraq. If you follow news reports most Iraqi's outside of the MidEast do want Saddam out.
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When you drop bombs on Bagdad who suffers more Saddam and his son, or the innocent ppl that Bush is trying to "free".
Who Pays if we dont' go? More Iraqi's have died under Saddam's regime then died during the Gulf War. He gased his own people to the north, tortures anyone that disagrees with him. I would think we could infer that most people don't like being gased and tortured.
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Where is the proof of weapons of mass distruction, they are talking about?.
We proved it 12 years ago. The onus isn't on the US to prove he has them. It's on him to prove that he doesn't, which is an easy task if you really did it. You could give documents and samples to support your statements.
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North Korea, has done 2 things:
Shipped biochemical material, and ran UN observers out of their country,
Yet they were not given any ultimatum and their ppl are crying for help.
One at a time. See when we go unilateral we are the bad guys, when we try and go multilateral we are the bad guys. We will deal with one at a time. I personally would like to see Kim Jong il gone first but the point is he already has Nukes. We need to prevent Saddam from getting Nukes. Decisions must be made.
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Surprisingly, Blair has no opinion on the North Korean incident, or is he waiting on Master Bush to voice his opinion first, and then second it.
America finally has an Ally that stands up for us and we knock him down. This guy is risking his political career to help YOU stay safe and you just take shots at him. I wish more people in the US were like him. I don't see him riding the Bush coattails because where does that get him? Nowhere. He is doing what he believes to be right. If I'm wrong then that’s fine, I don't claim to be an up on my British politics. But either way you don't take shots at someone who is helping to protect you and your family.
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And coincidentally, America just test the Mother of all Bombs, whilst looking to disarm Iraq.
Tell me the last time we bombed and Gassed California. Please, tell me. Or tell me the last time we invaded Mexico and Canada. We only threaten those who threaten our way of life.
I find it Sad that 1 out of 3 Americans are more inclined to believe Saddam over our own Government. If he is such a great leader why aren't our people trying to escape Bush and live in Iraq? | |
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| paullidd 2003-03-18, 9:30 am |
| yes that would be good.
No what right do they have to interfere with another countries right to bear arms!!! (support for terrorist states - no prooof about iraq - usa---> support for IRA, support for contras in overthrowing democraticaly elected government. by the way was mr Bush democraticaly elected - I think not)
No way he's an unelected Dictator in charge of weapons of mass destruction who ignores the mandate of the free world (UN)
France arallowed to have their opinion and make their stand as they see fit (although it all smells of politics to me)
I think the UN were taking the right approach and should not be dictated to by an egotistical despot like Bush.
ps this is just my opinion | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-18, 10:47 am |
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No what right do they have to interfere with another countries right to bear arms!!!
When those arms have the potential to hurting US citizens, then we have a right to stop them. The US has a right to protect itself from foreign threats, and the government perceives Saddam as a threat to our allies and us.
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by the way was mr Bush democraticaly elected - I think not)
I'm not sure who's been blowing Smoke up your A$$ but the United States of America is not a Democracy. The United States of America is a Republic set up to prevent people like Al Gore from winning Elections. Al Gore only one about 21 states as opposed to Bush who won 30. He didn’t have a Majority of the population but that doesn't matter. What matters is that a Majority of the states vote the winner because otherwise the only states that would get anything done would be NY, TX, CA, PA, IL.
Need to know the History of your country. Again this is a Democratic-Republic only the Misinformed actually consider the US a Democracy.
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No way he's an unelected Dictator in charge of weapons of mass destruction who ignores the mandate of the free world (UN)
What about the un-free world? You leave out the poor Iraqi's that get tortured, raped, and oppressed. Does their opinion not matter to you? Guess not. If you check the facts Saddam has killed more of his citizens then the Gulf War did. How many more need to die before the other 33% of this country grow a set of Testicles?
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France arallowed to have their opinion and make their stand as they see fit (although it all smells of politics to me)
Agreed, Iraq owes France large amounts of Money. Russia has dibs on a huge oil field called West Kurna with about 220 Billion Barrels of oil.
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think the UN were taking the right approach and should not be dictated to by an egotistical despot like Bush.
What was the right thing? Sitting around and ignoring him? Hoping he goes away? That is all the UN has done for 12 years. The UN didn't do anything to help the Iraqi people, did they? Has the UN done anything to help anyone? No before they go we do it. What about Kosovo? Who did that? The US did without UN approval. Are you complaining about that? No..
I don't claim to be an expert on the topic. I have my own opinions as you have yours, but damn.. How can you not know your country is a Republic? It was set up as a republic mainly to do away with democratic elections because they are unfair.
Here is something to read written by James Madison | |
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| hmmm - all valid points. However it does not change the fact that GeeDub is a loose cannon who is controlled by his pappys advisors and their oil baron cronies. Hell if there was any justice he would never have become president.
Back to reality and the legalities. NO country has the right to interfere in the internal matters of another soverign country. However, seeing that the United Nations is a total waste of time I can understand the reasoning behind the USA forcing the issue. Forget 1441 or any other resolution and go back to the end of the first gulf war - as part of the peace agreement Iraq agreed to destroy all weapons of mass destruction and never to rebuild them. That they forced out the UN inspectors and failed to comply with all matter relating to that agreement is all the justification the UN needs. Unfortunately it is left to the US to do this and therefore making them look like bullies. Time for the UN to shut its doors and fade into history unless they are prepared to accept their failings and address them immediately.
Now a far better option to war would be to assasinate Hussein and finish things once and for all. Being in exile is not going to solve things as his supporters will continue to strive to bring him back to power.
I might be wrong, but I stand by my opinions. | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-18, 2:55 pm |
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Now a far better option to war would be to assasinate Hussein and finish things once and for all. Being in exile is not going to solve things as his supporters will continue to strive to bring him back to power.
Agreed. But if it was that easy it would have been done already.. Plus don't forget his Rapist, sadist, pedophilian sons of his.. They need to take a shot or two. | |
| Spides 2003-03-18, 3:08 pm |
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Damn Right. He is the first president that does what he believes to be in the best interest of this country regardless of public opinion. We don't elect people to office to be drones of society. We elect people to make decisions based on the information THEY have. I don't want my President asking my permission to protect my family. That is implied when he takes office.
He is a President who shouldn't even be in Office. He won the election with aid of his brother, cousin and Dad's cronies. and also by electrol fraud, people couldn't vote even if there names were similar to felons. Thousands of black and hispanic voters were turned away in Florida because they knew they wouldn't vote for a racist pig like Bush.
Fact: Database Technolgies gathered the voters and placed them on a database, they were told to eliminate anyone with similar birth dates or social security numbers. 173,000 voters were wiped off in Florida, in Miami-Dade 66% voters removed were black, in Tampa 54% were denied a vote and they were black!!
Were are being led by a muppet. For a college grant you are refused if you are a felon, so if you were caught smoking dope you wouldn't get a grant to get to college. This is brought in by Bush who in his thirties was arrested for drink driving with his sister in the car!!!!
George Bush is a disgrace............. | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-18, 3:18 pm |
| This has got to be the hardest post I've ever tried to read...
As far as African American's being turned away, I don't know..
I heard there were Rumors but don't recall
any facts being associated with it.
I'm not sure he's a racist either. But the
whole pot thing, That is WAY OUT OF LINE..
Just an FYI I voted for Gore. He lost by rule of the
electorial college. Gore only won major cities Bush won the
Majority of the states.. Either way I
have this odd belief that you should
support your President. Thats probably
a new concept to some but
bitching about it will only raise
your blood pressure. The Federalist papers
will explain about why we use the
electorial college. | |
| jonhiker 2003-03-18, 4:19 pm |
| First, let me put on my asbestos pants....
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Should Mr. Hussein leave Iraq?
Should any other dictator, poor leader leave their country? Then, Mr. Bush should start packing and put up the Vacancy sign on the White House. He, Hussein, Kim Il Jung ought to share a nice island, together somewhere.
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Do you think the United States is right to take military action?
No. If its because of WMD's, we should invade India, Pakistan, & Russia. If it's because of making a better life than under a poor leader, why don't we invade The Ivory Coast, South Africa, Rawanda, Somalia, N. Korea? Why... they don't have OIL!
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Do you support President Busch?
No. He's a war mongering idiot. http://www.msnbc.com/news/attack_front.asp
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International criticism over the U.S. push to war against Iraq intensified Tuesday with France, Russia and China blasting the United States for choosing military action to disarm Saddam Hussein.
Looks like i'm not the only one.
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originally posted by paullid:
France arallowed to have their opinion and make their stand as they see fit (although it all smells of politics to me)
I think the UN were taking the right approach and should not be dictated to by an egotistical despot like Bush.
Agree. | |
| HOOLIGAN 2003-03-18, 8:14 pm |
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Tell me the last time we bombed and Gassed California. Please, tell me. Or tell me the last time we invaded Mexico and Canada
The US invaded Mexico in 1847, Mex City in 1848. Heres a link, there's more if you search.
http://www.worldtrek.org/odyssey/me...90898shawn.html
Incidently Parts of California ( and other states ) were part of Mexico.Other new territories gained in Spanish American War: Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, Philippines.
We were Happy to help Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war and turned a blind eye to when he gassed his own people.
And dont forget about Noraid ( open US civilian support of Terrorism ) and helping the Contras. | |
| bearing 2003-03-19, 7:11 am |
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Originally posted by HOOLIGAN
We were Happy to help Saddam during
the Iran/Iraq war and turned a blind
eye to when he gassed his own people.
I was just about to mention the fact
that we turned a blind eye to
the gassing.
By the way anyone got access to a 48"
monitor So I can view this page in one screen.  | |
| everetjo 2003-03-19, 7:44 am |
| im interested to see how bush handles the Israel situation, where that the woman was accidentally smooshed by a bulldozer. | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-19, 8:19 am |
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The US invaded Mexico in 1847,
Mex City in 1848. Heres a link, there's
more if you search.
http://www.worldtrek.org/odyssey/me...
90898shawn.html
That was almost 150 years ago. Now the
Mexican's constantly invade the US. We
Pay for their health care when their sick
We put them on welfare when their poor,
we put their children through school,
and I'm not talking about the legal immigrants
I'm talking about the ones that shouldn't
be in the US..
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We were Happy to help Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war and turned a blind eye to when he gassed his own people.
God forbid we try and make up for it now.
At that point in time Iran was a threat.
Now they are not, most likely because of
the action we took then. I don't
condone gassing people but I sure as
hell don't condone, Saddam's son hosting
a party where they throw people in plastic
shredders. So it's OK to torture people
as long as we don't have to get involved.
The US has done good things and has done
bad things but god forbid we try to
right our wrongs.
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And dont forget about Noraid ( open US civilian support of Terrorism ) and helping the Contras.
From what I know of the contra's the Soviets were in our back yard funding a Communist regime. Thats basically what I see. The contra's apparently sold drugs in the US with CIA knowledge. As far as poison, many American's choose to Use drugs on a regular basis. That's a lot diffrent then dropping VX nerve gas on your own citizens. Now I haven't researched this one too much but I'm going to read up on it.
Noraid was an anti-American organization
too. They whine about the Mexican-American
war and how they fought against the US. The
US had tried to ignore terrorism in it's past
This is no longer an option. We are going
to take care of these things where they are
found.
I don't get how so many people can say that
the poor Iraqi's are going to die. How many
more Iraqi's will die if we don't get rid of
Saddam? Anyone know how many Iraqi's actually
want US intervention? The majority of Iraqi'
do. Being as the minority is running the
country, while torturing and tormenting the
majority.
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It accuses Saddam Hussein of introducing severe penalties like cutting off ears and tongue amputation for criminal offences and speaking out against him.
Women are allegedly raped, tortured and summarily executed. Prisoners at one jail are said to have been kept in steel boxes like those found in mortuaries with only half an hour a day allowed for light and air.
Torture is systematic in Iraq. The most senior figures in the regime are personally involved," the dossier begins.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2533229.stm
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/ne...ext/0321hmn.htm
Here's my favorite on so far -->
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/15996.htm | |
| DemiGod 2003-03-19, 8:49 am |
| It's refreshing to hear other people's thougths and opinions on such a controversial topic - so here's my
two cents.
Should Mr. Hussein leave Iraq?
I am defintely NOT in support of Mr. Hussein or his tactics. However, he obviously has the ability to lead his people. He has proven to be more
powerful than people thought or military action would not be necessary. Besides, I wouldn't expect any leader of any nation
or country to leave becasue someone says so. I have much more respect for someone (right or wrong) that stands up and fights for what they truely believe in.
Do you think the United States is right to take military action?
This is a very difficult question. War is a very serious action, people on both sides loose their lives and that's tragic. However, The United States must protect itself and if Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and we MUST use military action to gain control of those weapons, then that is what we MUST do!!! I just hope and prey it's done quickly and without many casualties.
Do you support President Busch?
I support President Busch 100%
What are your thoughts on France's position?
I have boycotted all french goods!! When Collen Powl asked for their support the French said you give Iraq 48 more hours and we'll support you!! Mr. Powl agrees and presents the information to the UN and then the French say SCREW YOU!!! Well I say screw them!! It's typical of the French though in WWII they wanted to part of the United States - that is until Hitler's army was on their soil!! So screw 'em let them rot in their stinky wine and cheese!!
Do you think the United Nations is taking the correct approach?
I think the UN has been "nice" long enough. If they don't take a strong, firm stance against Iraq, I don't think they'll have any respect as a governing body. | |
| DemiGod 2003-03-19, 8:50 am |
| Man, what happened to this post??
I've never seen this happen before....
Page 1 looks fine | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-19, 9:02 am |
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am defintely NOT in support of
Mr. Hussein or his tactics. However,
he obviously has the ability to lead
his people. He has proven to be more
powerful than people thought or military
action would not be necessary. Besides,
I wouldn't expect any leader of any nation
or country to leave becasue someone says
so. I have much more respect for someone
(right or wrong) that stands up and fights
for what they truely believe in.
I disagree. He keeps people subbordinate
thru torture and fear. Besides what I've
been hearing is that a couple of Iraqi battallions have already tried to surrender,
but we can't take POW's until there is a war.
Not sure if it's true but I heard it on the
the 10 o'Clock news and from a couple of
people in the office. | |
| DemiGod 2003-03-19, 9:11 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by mindmesh
I disagree. He keeps people subbordinate
thru torture and fear. Besides what I've
been hearing is that a couple of Iraqi battallions have already tried to surrender,
but we can't take POW's until there is a war.
Not sure if it's true but I heard it on the
the 10 o'Clock news and from a couple of
people in the office.
mindmesh, which part of my opinion don't you agree with??
- Like you, I don't agree with Mr. Hussein or is tactics.
But you do have to give him some credit for becoming a leader. Obviously he's put fear into many people or we wouldn't have more than half our military getting ready to invade  | |
| HOOLIGAN 2003-03-19, 9:26 am |
| But Noraid still collects funds and is still exists.
http://www.noraid.com/
http://members.lycos.co.uk/uindex/NW/main.html
Bush and Blair ( not forgetting Clintons eight years of inaction ) have made a mess of this whole affair with their dealings with the UN. The fact remains, right or wrong, that this war is hugely unpopular, and will probably be a recruiting Sargent for radical Islamic groups globaly. I guess they have to invade now, but lets not forget about all those other global dictators out there. I hope the body count remains low. | |
| tkelley91 2003-03-19, 9:31 am |
| Here’s a historical perspective about the reasons to remove Saddam: What would have happened if the League of Nations would have stood up to Hilter and took him out of power right after he invaded the Rhineland (in violation of the Treaty of Versailles that ended WW1)? Instead, France led a policy of appeasement that allowed Hilter to rebuild his military leading to WWII. Does any of this sound familiar? As my old history teacher loved to preach – “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it!” Take Saddam out now while the cost to human life can be kept to a minimum and the threat of this escalating to a nuclear conflict almost zero. | |
| HOOLIGAN 2003-03-19, 9:52 am |
| But tkelly, America helped put him in power, helped him when he invaded Iran, gave him WDM ( anthrax ),as (I said above) turned a blind eye to the gassing of his own people and, at one point was willing to ignore the impending invasion of Kuwaite (thankfully that did not happen ).
We did ignore history. and it was repeated with the invasion of Kuwaite. Thankfully, with advances in technology, Iraq were thrown back quite quickly. I just with Saddam was 'removed' then instead of now. | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-19, 9:55 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by DemiGod
mindmesh, which part of my opinion don't you agree with??
- Like you, I don't agree with Mr. Hussein or is tactics.
But you do have to give him some credit for becoming a leader. Obviously he's put fear into many people or we wouldn't have more than half our military getting ready to invade
It was the part about him being a leader.. His republican guard loves him. They can rape all the women they want and torture their enemies. The perfect society for a deviant...
As for the fear that will only last until we get close. Once they see us they'll surrender like they did in the Gulf.. Not all but a lot. Some have already tried but we can't let them because we're not at war yet.
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Bush and Blair ( not forgetting Clintons eight years of inaction ) have made a mess of this whole affair with their dealings with the UN. The fact remains, right or wrong, that this war is hugely unpopular, and will probably be a recruiting Sargent for radical Islamic groups globaly. I guess they have to invade now, but lets not forget about all those other global dictators out there. I hope the body count remains low.
The UN made a mess of itself. You can't wait 12 years to get involved in something you should have been involved in from day one.. Once the UN inspectors were expelled that was the end of it for the UN.. Look at NK.. They expelled UN inspectors and the UN has yet to do a thing about it. They want us to deal with it.. Screw the UN. They're a huge joke, at least in these parts.
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But Noraid still collects funds and is still exists.
http://www.noraid.com/
http://members.lycos.co.uk/uindex/NW/main.html
Yeah I saw that page.. It's upsetting. Does England still have these attacks or is there relative peace right now?. Not very up to date on my English politics.. I guess it's because our media is sort of self centered when it comes to broadcasting foreign issues. I do get a chance to watch the BBC once in a while. Some hot female anchors on that program.  | |
| bearing 2003-03-19, 10:01 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by mindmesh
Yeah I saw that page.. It's upsetting. Does England still have these attacks or is there relative peace right now?. Not very up to date on my English politics.. I guess it's because our media is sort of self centered when it comes to broadcasting foreign issues. I do get a chance to watch the BBC once in a while. Some hot female anchors on that program.
There hasn't been an attack on the English mainland for a good while, although a bomb was discovered the other week in Belfast(thecomeons could probably elaborate on that).The IRA as they were are pretty much disbanded and were part of the peace process, although there are splinter groups such as the Real IRA who are still 'active' to an extent.
On the Dublin get together I actually spotted (well walked within kicking distance) of Gerry Adams..
Which of them are you calling 'HOT'.. | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-19, 10:01 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by HOOLIGAN
But tkelly, America helped put him in power, helped him when he invaded Iran, gave him WDM ( anthrax ),as (I said above) turned a blind eye to the gassing of his own people and, at one point was willing to ignore the impending invasion of Kuwaite (thankfully that did not happen ).
We did ignore history. and it was repeated with the invasion of Kuwaite. Thankfully, with advances in technology, Iraq were thrown back quite quickly. I just with Saddam was 'removed' then instead of now.
Agreed. Unfortunately that wasn't the objective then. The Iraqi's got slaughtered and we didn't want to continue the slaughter. Now we're hoping to fix that moment of weakness. We have to do this.. It shouldn't be up to America but since most of the world is unable to handle this commitment, that it made, we'll have to do it. This is why the American opinion of the UN is squat.. When I was a kid I used to see bumper stickers that were Anti-UN. In principle I agree with the UN but I hope to God the next World body excludes the French. Even Germany is going to lend a hand in the war.
I don't expect the french to do anything except to stop selling products in America.. I know it's wishful thinking but he a man can dream. | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-19, 10:04 am |
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Which of them are you calling 'HOT'..
Not sure.. I don't get to watch it that often. But I have a thing for women with accents. They turn me on. British, Russian, Thai, etc..
Adds 10 brownie points to the total.. | |
| Mauwakee 2003-03-19, 10:05 am |
| I think that he should go. Either by force or leave on his own. Like others have said anyone that would gas his own people should not be in power.
I do not like President Bush, however, I do agree with him about this point. Back at the end of World War 2 if Japan would have built another Aircraft carrier and a battleship, the United States would had gone back to war with them for breaking the peace treaty. Same as here, he has broken the treaty and now it time to act. It does not matter if he started to destroyed the missiles he had. He should never have them in the first place according to the treaty.
As for the French, well they are in bed with Iraq. They get most of the oil from them so why should they help? Do we need them? Hell, no. I would not trust them anyway. Remember what they did in Vietnam? As soon as United States was there, they pulled out. To H*** with them. | |
| bearing 2003-03-19, 10:06 am |
| Apparently the B-52's at RAF Fairford in Gloucsestershire are being readied for departure.. | |
| everetjo 2003-03-19, 10:07 am |
| i don't attack the US reasons for invasion, but rather why they don't invade others that violate internation law also...like Israel? | |
| bearing 2003-03-19, 10:09 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Mauwakee
I would not trust them anyway.
Why not? | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-19, 10:12 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by everetjo
i don't attack the US reasons for invasion, but rather why they don't invade others that violate internation law also...like Israel?
I think Isreal is a two way street. You can go after Isreal without going after the Palestinians. They both do it to each other. The conflict is played out diffrent in America then it is in England. Here we view them as people going thru what we did, except they do it everyday.
I, also, think the religious bond between Isreal and the US is great.. Although we have seperation of church and state we can't seperate politics from peoples view of religion. | |
| HOOLIGAN 2003-03-19, 10:29 am |
| Perhaps the UN needs a situation like this to reorganise itself. It will never be effective with the use of a Veto vote. They should get rid of it.
IMHO, NKorea is more of a threat to us then Iraq is right now, ( albeit a small threat ). If America uses its Soverign right as a reason to Invade Iraq, then it should use its Soverign right to do something about the NKorea situation, and not leave it to the UN to sort out. | |
| everetjo 2003-03-19, 10:34 am |
| i was thinking that the invasion of Iraq was planned because the US wanted to focus on a known enemy that they can locate. it would be a nice change from the hide and seek campaign they were conducting with al Qaeda
originally posted by mindmesh
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I, also, think the religious bond between Isreal and the US is great.. Although we have seperation of church and state we can't seperate politics from peoples view of religion.
bingo...
it's also interesting that the most densely populated jewish city is NYC. | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-19, 10:52 am |
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bingo...
it's also interesting that the most densely populated jewish city is NYC.
True..
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IMHO, NKorea is more of a threat to us then Iraq is right now, ( albeit a small threat ). If America uses its Soverign right as a reason to Invade Iraq, then it should use its Soverign right to do something about the NKorea situation, and not leave it to the UN to sort out.
We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. This is a catch 22. We have to deal with it the way we feel is right, because we recieve little help from others. Except, obviously, Britian and now Spain.. | |
| thebonzodog 2003-03-23, 3:16 am |
| The lady in that guy's avatar appears to be giving Ronald Macdonald executive relief.
Whatever.
Personally, now that they're in, I support them 100%. Mistakes were made, the biggest by Bush Snr all those years ago.
If this is a moral war though we should ensure that morality extends to a complete ban on arms sales to ALL questionable regimes. Then we would have more of a case. | |
| mindmesh 2003-03-23, 8:15 am |
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Originally posted by thebonzodog
The lady in that guy's avatar appears to be giving Ronald Macdonald executive relief.
Whatever.
Personally, now that they're in, I support them 100%. Mistakes were made, the biggest by Bush Snr all those years ago.
If this is a moral war though we should ensure that morality extends to a complete ban on arms sales to ALL questionable regimes. Then we would have more of a case.
I agree.. | |
| enforcer 2003-03-23, 9:51 am |
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Originally posted by thebonzodog
The lady in that guy's avatar appears to be giving Ronald Macdonald executive relief.
first of all, if that lady is giving R M 'Executive Relief' in public, she ain't no lady.
Secondly that is a females avatar  | |
| duster400 2003-03-23, 11:14 am |
| We should have finished this 13 years ago, BUT the useless waste of space caled the UN wouldn't let us. Saddam supports terorism as his own actions show him to be a terrorist against his own people.
Now for France, let them keep their noses in the air, they can burn in hell for all I care. I think I'll stop there.
I also think that it is the Muslims fault. If you don't want people LIKE Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden representing Muslims, then don't let them. I don't think all Muslims believe or agree or even like them, but then it is up to you to prove that you don't either.
I am not prejudice or racist I hate all a$$holes. | |
| thebonzodog 2003-03-23, 2:32 pm |
| The UN didn't have anything to do with not taking out Hussain (why should I call him by his first name, I never understood why they do that). As I recall, old Stormin' Norman and the Brits were all for it. But Bush Snr was working a different agenda. He also left the Kurds in the lurch, as I recall.
As to the girl I thought was a guy. Please except my apologies.
And, Helllllllllllllllllooooooo...... | |
| Mauwakee 2003-03-24, 7:13 am |
| I do not trust the French government for their part in Vietnam. They left when it got to hard for them. Also, when I was in the military during “war games” the French pulled out again and left my unit to defend an area. For the most part military wise just let them cook. | |
| DemiGod 2003-03-24, 7:40 am |
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Originally posted by enforcer
first of all, if that lady is giving R M 'Executive Relief' in public, she ain't no lady.
Secondly that is a females avatar
Thanks Enforcer!!
The avatar is part of my "shock and awe" campaign  | |
| tkelley91 2003-03-24, 7:53 am |
| [The UN didn't have anything to do with not taking out Hussain (why should I call him by his first name, I never understood why they do that). As I recall, old Stormin' Norman and the Brits were all for it. But Bush Snr was working a different agenda. He also left the Kurds in the lurch, as I recall.]
Part true, Bush Snr. did go against the advice of his military commanders but it was due to U.N. pressure. The U.N. reminded Bush Snr. that the objective was to liberate Kuwait not to remove Hussain and his regime from power ("This might cause a backlash in arab support"). The Kurds got hung out to dry because congressional Democrates would not approve founding for operations to support them and Snr was not re-elected so he couldn't continue pushing for their support (the Kurds). Quick digression here; since our beloved CNN was broadcasting coverage of our efforts to support a Kurd uprising, Hussain sent helicopter gunships (with nerve gas) into the north to wipe out the Kurdish resistance before we could fund support for them. Bush Snr. did what he could with what support he got, both in the U.S. and in the U.N. so blame him if you must give him credit for atleast getting the No-Fly zones set up to protect the Kurds in the north and the Shites muslims in the south. | |
| yanqui 2003-03-24, 10:43 am |
| On, and in the days following, Sept. 11, 2001, GW Bush was very vocal in warning the world that those nations harboring and assisting terrorist organizations would be punished. This war should have come as no surprise to anyone. I heard on the news this morning (3/24) of a town in Iraq tearing down and destroying the ubiquitous poster of Saddam. When asked by a reporter why they did so, one man replied, "Well, because we can now."
Decisions on this scale aren't made with the same forethought that goes into buying a house or choosing a career. Those are big choices but affect very few people. Before the administration decided to go into Iraq, they sought intelligence as to the political climate--are the Iraqis ready for regime change, what sort of domino affect will this have on the rest of the region, is the climate in our country right for it? Not only has Saddam not destroyed his weapons as ordered by the UN twelve years ago, he has made certain that the world knew that he considers us an enemy and that he feels the terrorists are justified in their attacks on us. He also pledged his support and has harbored and assisted them. It doesn't take a huge stretch of the imagination to see Saddam giving a chemical or biological agent to someone to take on board a plane (yes, even with current security measures in place) for use in an attack on some huge event, or to drop into a reservoir or the Mississippi river. THAT's why I feel the United States is justified in a pre-emptive strike. | |
| enforcer 2003-03-24, 1:43 pm |
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Thanks Enforcer!!
The avatar is part of my "shock and awe" campaign
tell me that's not you in that picture | |
| DemiGod 2003-03-24, 1:48 pm |
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Originally posted by enforcer
tell me that's not you in that picture
A woman never tells
No it's not me - I was going through some old downloaded photos and I found it. THought it be good to use here on the forum - ya know stir things up a bit. | |
| yanqui 2003-03-24, 1:52 pm |
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A woman never tells
No it's not me - I was going through some old downloaded photos and I found it. THought it be good to use here on the forum - ya know stir things up a bit.
I'll never eat another happy meal. |
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