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Windows NT 4.0 is still around
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| MartyMcFly 2003-01-27, 8:09 am |
| Long live NT | |
| Sexy Lexy 2003-01-27, 8:14 am |
| And for those of you who have recently passed your MCSE in NT 4.0 your skills are still very much in demand.
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| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-01-27, 8:55 am |
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Originally posted by MartyMcFly
Long live NT
What about Windows for Workgroups??? I hear Win 3.11 is still hot in some areas. | |
| ccieToBe 2003-01-27, 10:55 am |
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Originally posted by Mr. Linux Guy
What about Windows for Workgroups??? I hear Win 3.11 is still hot in some areas.
Our PBX runs DOS and one of the copiers runs NT 4.0 
The phone system is solid and the copier has to be rebooted every few weeks. | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-27, 11:02 am |
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Originally posted by ccieToBe
Our PBX runs DOS and one of the copiers runs NT 4.0
The phone system is solid and the copier has to be rebooted every few weeks.
What's DOS? | |
| Epidemic 2003-01-27, 11:17 am |
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Originally posted by ruscorp
What's DOS?
Dead On Startup | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-01-27, 11:31 am |
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Originally posted by ccieToBe
Our PBX runs DOS and one of the copiers runs NT 4.0
The phone system is solid and the copier has to be rebooted every few weeks.
CP/M anyone? | |
| jonhiker 2003-01-27, 1:52 pm |
| The company I worked for in Berkely used NT4.0 on it's PDC and W3.11 on it's BDC. It worked just fine. Used W98 on all of the cash registers & work stations. Had very few(like none) on the PDC/BDC. | |
| darthw 2003-01-27, 8:29 pm |
| I've seen OS/2 recently on a new phone/PBX/Voice Mail system being set up. | |
| WildNorthMan 2003-01-28, 10:45 am |
| Still use OS2 up here in AK at the local Salmon canning facility.
<New member by the way. real friendly forum> | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-01-28, 12:16 pm |
| And VMS? | |
| ccieToBe 2003-01-28, 1:31 pm |
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Originally posted by Mr. Linux Guy
And VMS?
I know the USPS still uses Vaxen for some of their backend stuff, at least locally. That and a ton of QNX. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-01-28, 1:57 pm |
| ITS? That's *gotta* be obsolete, right? | |
| ccieToBe 2003-01-28, 3:12 pm |
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Originally posted by Mr. Linux Guy
ITS? That's *gotta* be obsolete, right?
What's ITS? | |
| everetjo 2003-01-28, 3:18 pm |
| i heard that microsoft is thinking of a visual fortran | |
| MartyMcFly 2003-01-28, 3:27 pm |
| as long as they don't bring out visual CESIL | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2003-01-28, 5:29 pm |
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Originally posted by WildNorthMan
Still use OS2 up here in AK at the local Salmon canning facility.
<New member by the way. real friendly forum>
Welcome to the forum | |
| WildNorthMan 2003-01-28, 5:43 pm |
| Thanks gr33nd4yg1rl,
I will hang about, not much else to do in the 49th this time of year.
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| ccieToBe 2003-01-28, 9:50 pm |
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Originally posted by WildNorthMan
Thanks gr33nd4yg1rl,
I will hang about, not much else to do in the 49th this time of year.
I was there a few years ago. That was the only time I ever saw snow in July It's a beautiful state though. I hope to go up there again sometime. | |
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Originally posted by Sexy Lexy
And for those of you who have recently passed your MCSE in NT 4.0 your skills are still very much in demand.
Well... not everywhere 
I just migrated our last NT 4 server a month ago for my company... | |
| Sexy Lexy 2003-01-30, 8:47 am |
| Absolutely, but there are still thousands of businesses who have yet to upgrade due to cost or lack of administrative experience.
Reading the posts on this thread it appears that there are still a lot of legacy operating systems around.
I think the comment in the link says it all, why upgrade when you have an operating system in place that works and the administrators are familiar with.
If people do not upgrade this year to either Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 then I think that they will hold out until the economy picks up and install Longhorn instead.
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| thebonzodog 2003-02-02, 5:40 am |
| Is it just me or does that smiley look like he's just done a really satisfying poo?
Hmmm, its even : and p so I might be onto something.
I'm surprised at how many DOS based apps I still keep discovering. Y2K got rid of a lot but some just keep rolling along. | |
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| other than cost, there is no reason to still be running NT over 2K imho... | |
| chodan 2003-02-02, 8:27 pm |
| Our network has:
1. windows 3.11 box as an ATM/ISDN PRI gateway that is running in tandem with its replacement a windows NT4 workstation.
Our video Bridge is an Ezenia running OS2 and we may get a second one now.
Our domain is mixed mode Active Directory that still has one NT4 server on it as a print server, it was also my roll back option if the migration went south  . I am going to buy Upromote soon to demote it to member server status. Upromote is awsome it will move an NT4 server box from standalone to DC and back again without the reinstall ussually asociated with that.
Every one of our ATM video conferencing room systems (over 40) are running windows 95.
Most have been running 3 years with few problems belive it or not. | |
| thecomeons 2003-02-03, 2:56 am |
| our network is running win98 stations with winnt4.0 servers. the government is perpetually upgrading the school networks across the country and we will get our upgrade when the time comes.
our network admin has no m$ exams, just a degree and experience from her previous job of configuring/troubleshooting school networks. | |
| jojogun 2003-02-03, 5:51 am |
| i have some n t systom disks i nave yet to install, i am told that n t is very stable,remember there are still people using win 3.1 if it work y fix it? | |
| freak 2003-02-03, 12:41 pm |
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Originally posted by jojogun
remember there are still people using win 3.1 if it work y fix it?
As a Network Admin, I can't always think like that. Why change? Here are some answers to that question:
1. MS does not support that OS anymore. Some companies have policies against that -- and as well they should.
2. The Security aspect is also a big factor. Since W2K came out, and replaced the global SAM with AD and NTLM with Kerberos, many financial institutions are mandated to upgrade, for FDIC insurance reasons, whether their current network works or not
3. The current network works... but an upgrade could make it work *better*
etc... | |
| jbdkaty 2003-02-04, 12:10 am |
| I am normally a big believer in keeping relatively current on your OS. However, we have hundreds of devices that are hooked to our network that still run DOS, Win3.x, and other really ancient OS's. These devices are special, single purpose devices that run very special applications.
Estimated cost of upgrading the devices that COULD be upgraded was almost $20 million. (IT budget for our region was > $2 million.) This upgrade would get us all the way up to Win95 and deliver no other real improvements. To help protect these "fragile" devices, we isolated the networks with in restricted subnets to protect them from attacks, intentional or otherwise.
I STRONGLY agree that you should upgrade whenever possible. We are almost 100% W2k on desktops and servers are slowly coming along too. However, we are stuck with NT for 1-2 years, since Active Directory will not be implemented until then per corporate decree | |
| chodan 2003-02-04, 5:44 am |
| I will agree on that.
It comes down to business I guess.
The ATM video bridge I mentioned running OS2 is probably running on it because it is a know stable OS.
Much like NASA who buys older used 386 proccessors not because the are cheaper but because they are known items that they have been using and much of their code funtions best for. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-02-04, 7:45 am |
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Originally posted by freak
As a Network Admin, I can't always think like that. Why change? Here are some answers to that question:
1. MS does not support that OS anymore. Some companies have policies against that -- and as well they should.
2. The Security aspect is also a big factor. Since W2K came out, and replaced the global SAM with AD and NTLM with Kerberos, many financial institutions are mandated to upgrade, for FDIC insurance reasons, whether their current network works or not
3. The current network works... but an upgrade could make it work *better*
etc...
1. MS does not support Linux either. The community of users do that quite well.
2. Obsolescence is the best form of security. Besides, having been around longer will have allowed most of the bugs to be worked out.
3. Define "better". | |
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| linux is linux and is better left alone in this conversation, as we were talking about NT to 2K migrations.
Obsolescence is not the best form of security when the OS itself is not secure in the first place.
Better means more uptime in this case, from the fact that the OS is more stable than its predecessor, it is more scalable, and it does not require as many reboots when maintained... It also supports new features like APM and USB for example, which NT did not... and the list goes on. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-02-04, 9:33 am |
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Originally posted by freak
linux is linux and is better left alone in this conversation, as we were talking about NT to 2K migrations.
Obsolescence is not the best form of security when the OS itself is not secure in the first place.
Better means more uptime in this case, from the fact that the OS is more stable than its predecessor, it is more scalable, and it does not require as many reboots when maintained... It also supports new features like APM and USB for example, which NT did not... and the list goes on.
1. I couldn't resist.
2. True, but there are many VMS and Novell shops around as well.
3. Good point. | |
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Originally posted by Mr. Linux Guy
1. I couldn't resist.
Can't say I blame you | |
| ccieToBe 2003-02-04, 11:24 am |
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Originally posted by freak
it does not require as many reboots when maintained.
Lol, the key phrase being "as many". | |
| freak 2003-02-04, 11:43 am |
| darn rightr! | |
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Windows NT 4.0 is still around
one of the sites I got has got NT4 server with exchange 5.5. They also have a 56k modem that they ALL use for internet access AND emails !!!!! There's about 20 people on that network. They just dont want to bother going for isdn or heaven forbid, dsl !!! |
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