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Saddam Hussein arrested in Iraq
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| Sexy Lexy 2003-12-14, 8:14 am |
| Now all they need to find are the weapons of mass destruction, but don’t hold your breath.
I guess the American government will be a little more selective with whom they place in power this time.
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| me? I dunno... 2003-12-14, 8:53 am |
| good news, bad news... (for all concerned)
how was he running a national resistance out of a cellar? | |
| Tech Ranger 2003-12-14, 9:01 am |
| My sincerest best wishes to the Iraqi people. Not having personally lived under brutal despotism, I cannot truly know the depth of your suffering, but I hope today marks the beginning of a better future. | |
| ChrisDfer 2003-12-14, 9:13 am |
| Now that they found him they can put him back in power where he belongs. Right Me I I dunno? I hope they read him his miranda rights and treated him nicely, gave him one phone call and feed him 3 times a day.
Oh and Sexy Lexy lets not forget all the support he was given by the French, Russians, Germans, and Canadains.  | |
| me? I dunno... 2003-12-14, 9:32 am |
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I hope they read him his miranda rights and treated him nicely
I hope they put hm in front of a television camera so he can spend the next few months reminiscing about the old days and all the fun he had partnered up with rumsfeld, bush, cheney et al...
btw, I wonder if they could sub saddam for barf-o-claus?, maybe an arabic version?
this is going to cost bush more than he can imagine | |
| I Hate Pascal 2003-12-14, 9:32 am |
| He kind of looked like a member of the Grateful Dead or something when they found him. I don't think any WMD will be found, but all the same, this can do nothing but good for everyone involved.
It kind of tempts you to hand him over to some of those he tortured, eh? | |
| ChrisDfer 2003-12-14, 9:35 am |
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Originally posted by me? I dunno...
I hope they put hm in front of a television camera so he can spend the next few months reminiscing about the old days and all the fun he had partnered up with rumsfeld, bush, cheney et al...
I think he would much rather reminisce about the good days with the French Russians, Canadians and Germans. I mean after all they were supporting and partnering up with him up to the end. | |
| I Hate Pascal 2003-12-14, 10:06 am |
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Originally posted by ChrisDfer
I think he would much rather reminisce about the good days with the French Russians, Canadians and Germans. I mean after all they were supporting and partnering up with him up to the end.
We supported him a great deal more than than Germans and French ever did. But it doesn't make any difference now. Everyone here knows how I felt about the invasion, but it's done now. It can't be undone. The best that can be hoped for now is to make things as good as they can be made. The U.S. will put in a puppet leader to serve their interests, but they would be hard pressed to put in someone worse than they have already had. Let's hope for the best. | |
| Tech Ranger 2003-12-14, 10:26 am |
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Originally posted by I Hate Pascal
We supported him a great deal more than than Germans and French ever did. But it doesn't make any difference now. Everyone here knows how I felt about the invasion, but it's done now. It can't be undone. The best that can be hoped for now is to make things as good as they can be made. The U.S. will put in a puppet leader to serve their interests, but they would be hard pressed to put in someone worse than they have already had. Let's hope for the best.
When you say it can't be undone, I am sure that you are not implying that you wish Saddam were still in power. Can't we just come together as human beings and be mutually supportive when the Saddams of the world come tumbling down. There are times in human history when it would be really nice when we can put politics aside and embrace our humanhood. | |
| Tennman 2003-12-14, 10:43 am |
| I am glad that they got him. Now maybe Iraq can now finely move ahead with its rebuilding process and a greater and more stable life for its people. | |
| azimuth40 2003-12-14, 12:09 pm |
| That is rumor Saddam was not captured he just came out because he could not find a good barber close to his living quarters. All the coalition troops are being defeated in mass as we speak. | |
| azimuth40 2003-12-14, 12:24 pm |
| It is amazing that after spending millions on bombs to destroy underground bunkers his end comes from a dirt hole smaller than a potato cellar. I hope that free elections for the Iraqi people can get underway without candidates needing millions of dollars to run an win. The trial should be interesting. Whatever one's feelings about how this all started today is a great day for the Iraqi people. | |
| I Hate Pascal 2003-12-14, 12:34 pm |
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When you say it can't be undone, I am sure that you are not implying that you wish Saddam were still in power.
No, I am not implying that I wish Hussein were still in power. But given America's track record in supporting people like him, I am afraid I cannot be optimistic. And let's not forget that we did invade another country at the opposition of world support. If another country chooses to do the same under the guise of national security, who should we be then to criticize them in the future? If democracy and national security were the real issues, we can expect more invasions shortly. But since I do not believe that they were ever the real issues at hand, I don't think that there will be.
I'd love to come together with others as human beings as you put it. But I can't help but think that this will do more to help America than it will Iraq. Will they get a real democracy or will be they be just another colony? If genuine elections were held there, I doubt many in the American government would be happy with the results. It is good that Saddam is gone, but I don't think having foreigners in control of another country will be in the best interest of those living in that country. Sorry.
Randy the Cynical.
I better scram now before starting another fight. Might stop in again in another 6 months or so. | |
| ilikebigsheep 2003-12-14, 12:57 pm |
| I heard that Saddam is the owner of T*stking. If he starts giving out credit card information to Microsoft and Cisco in order to save his butt, a lot of people could lose their certs. I hope that Dimitri can still find br*indump sellers to fund his websites! | |
| Sexy Lexy 2003-12-14, 1:52 pm |
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Originally posted by ilikebigsheep
I heard that Saddam is the owner of T*stking. If he starts giving out credit card information to Microsoft and Cisco in order to save his butt, a lot of people could lose their certs. I hope that Dimitri can still find br*indump sellers to fund his websites!
Why don't you just message webmaster and ask him to delete your account, it would have been a lot easier!
Think warm thoughts, this is going to hurt!
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| behrad 2003-12-14, 9:35 pm |
| I wonder if it will change tings for the common Iraqi people?
From the sounds of things he has not been running anything for the past few months. Iraq will not be much different today, there is still the issue of having a foreign Army in your town and land. The US forces just can not pack up and leave now that they have their Ace of spades. The country has been destroyed and it will take years to return to a state of normal life. I wonder if America will see this through? Or are they only after securing their cheap oil for years to come??? | |
| ANDRONDA 2003-12-14, 10:11 pm |
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| azimuth40 2003-12-15, 12:26 am |
| Am I the only one that heard a week or so ago on ITN and several US stations that one of the Iraqi military higher ups, that should know, said that they had WMD's. The republican guard refused to use them and they are buried in the desert. All are afraid to talk because Saddam was still loose and had almost god like followings of assassins.
I am a skeptic but it is still possible that WMD's chemical and biological type will show up. The guard really did just roll over after all the hype about them. | |
| Papiya 2003-12-15, 7:45 am |
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Originally posted by Sexy Lexy
Now all they need to find are the weapons of mass destruction, but don’t hold your breath.
I guess the American government will be a little more selective with whom they place in power this time.
I wonder what the minister of information would say about this! | |
| MistyRing 2003-12-15, 7:57 am |
| "There are no American tanks in Baghdad." | |
| Papiya 2003-12-15, 8:02 am |
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Originally posted by MistyRing
"There are no American tanks in Baghdad."
I thought it would be something like that! | |
| ChrisDfer 2003-12-15, 9:43 am |
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Originally posted by MistyRing
"There are no American tanks in Baghdad."
Yes there is, but they came to surrender. | |
| darthfeces 2003-12-15, 9:58 am |
| actually sadaaam
bought the domain test killer.com and moved the servers to that hole.
i heard he passed the ccie written and was going to take his lab in the spring. | |
| bearing 2003-12-15, 11:31 am |
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Originally posted by Papiya
I wonder what the minister of information would say about this!
azimuth40 already relayed his message to us.
Don't worry azimuth I picked up on it, humour is sometimes wasted on here. | |
| Papiya 2003-12-15, 11:40 am |
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Originally posted by bearing
azimuth40 already relayed his message to us.
Don't worry azimuth I picked up on it, humour is sometimes wasted on here.
too many guard dogs make the salad angry | |
| Jesus Christ 2003-12-15, 12:01 pm |
| It was in elementary school where I was first taught that George Washington was the father of our country.
If our war against Iraq proves successful, then perhaps someday, maybe a century from now, the school children who reside in the New America will be taught that George W. Bush was the father of theirs. | |
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| mindmesh 2003-12-15, 2:03 pm |
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Originally posted by enforcer
shhhh! it's his first post not trashing America.
LOL..
Personally I think they should put Saddam on Queer Eye for the Staight Guy. God that would be funny. ( Saddam not Me? idunno) | |
| mindmesh 2003-12-15, 2:03 pm |
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Originally posted by enforcer
shhhh! it's his first post not trashing America.
LOL..
Personally, I think they should put him on Queer Eye for the Staight Guy. God that would be funny. ( Saddam not Me? idunno) | |
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| enforcer 2003-12-15, 2:35 pm |
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Originally posted by mindmesh
LOL..
Personally, I think they should put him on Queer Eye for the Staight Guy. God that would be funny. ( Saddam not Me? idunno)
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Maybe they should do both | |
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| mindmesh 2003-12-15, 2:47 pm |
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Maybe they should do both
I didn't say anything about doing anybody.. I just meant a queer make over then maybe a parade thru baghdad. | |
| enforcer 2003-12-15, 2:49 pm |
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Originally posted by mindmesh
I didn't say anything about doing anybody.. I just meant a queer make over then maybe a parade thru baghdad.
I refer my learned colleague to my above post. | |
| yanqui 2003-12-19, 12:12 pm |
| Let's throw some gasoline on the fire. If I am a brutal dictator and I have weapons of mass destruction and I know that eventually someone's going to come looking for them, I'm going to hide them somewhere that they, according to their own rules, aren't allowed to look--places of medicine, places of worship, places of sacred import, cemeteries and such.
Under what conditions could the US, the UN, or the new Iraqi forces search those places for WMD's? Is there any situation that would make that acceptable, and if so, would such a search be acceptable when conducted only by certain people and only under certain conditions, like only by new Iraqi forces and only when accompanied by someone well-acquainted with the place, policies and procedures, like, for example, in a mosque, or around a mosque, when accompanied by a Muslim cleric of a certain level of stature? | |
| ChrisDfer 2003-12-19, 12:20 pm |
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Originally posted by yanqui
Let's throw some gasoline on the fire. If I am a brutal dictator and I have weapons of mass destruction and I know that eventually someone's going to come looking for them, I'm going to hide them somewhere that they, according to their own rules, aren't allowed to look--places of medicine, places of worship, places of sacred import, cemeteries and such.
Under what conditions could the US, the UN, or the new Iraqi forces search those places for WMD's? Is there any situation that would make that acceptable, and if so, would such a search be acceptable when conducted only by certain people and only under certain conditions, like only by new Iraqi forces and only when accompanied by someone well-acquainted with the place, policies and procedures, like, for example, in a mosque, or around a mosque, when accompanied by a Muslim cleric of a certain level of stature?
No USA is bad Bush is evil. Bush targeted and killed trillions of iraqie babies in Iran to steal their arabs because he is racist against oil. | |
| Papiya 2003-12-19, 12:55 pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisDfer
No USA is bad Bush is evil. Bush targeted and killed trillions of iraqie babies in Iran to steal their arabs because he is racist against oil.
Don't worry . . . when Saddam is given his fair trial, all of this will come out I am sure. | |
| me? I dunno... 2003-12-19, 1:52 pm |
| interesting that rumsfeld didnt waste 5 minutes before coming out and saying that saddam 'wasnt talking'
at least, rumsfeld and cheney certainly hope not... also, theres that guy thats trying to get russia to write off a couple of decades worth of investment in iraq in order to help israel... whats his name? oh yes, james baker... no doubt he's hoping saddam keeps his mouth shut too. | |
| ChrisDfer 2003-12-19, 2:15 pm |
| Woah, more American arrogance. The US is building a memorial tower for the WTC.
Notice how it will be one of the tallest building in the world. I am sick of American arrogance always trying to be better then everyone else. This is why the world hates America and Americans you always need to try to be the best. Stop doing that crap and maybe the world will actually stop hating the US.
*I didn't write this but I thought it was instresting. | |
| me? I dunno... 2003-12-19, 2:35 pm |
| its too bad theyre calling it the propaganda tower, it sounds like it has some good ideas incorporated into it. I think they should aim for much higher than only 20% electrical self sufficiency though. | |
| mindmesh 2003-12-19, 3:14 pm |
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Originally posted by me? I dunno...
its too bad theyre calling it the propaganda tower, it sounds like it has some good ideas incorporated into it. I think they should aim for much higher than only 20% electrical self sufficiency though.
Don't think you can fit that many wind turbines on the roof. Could try the new Fission Reactor, that would probably not only power the building but manhattan as well. | |
| jimbo2002 2003-12-19, 4:01 pm |
| All this talk about weapons of mass destruction, all you need to do is have a few beers, a good curry, followed by a few more beers and hey presto, weapon of mass destruction! | |
| tembpoib 2003-12-19, 4:07 pm |
| Despite all the talk of WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction). . . they can't kill you any worse than a WMD (Weapon of Minor Destruction) can. I'm not too worried. | |
| mindmesh 2003-12-19, 4:08 pm |
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Originally posted by tembpoib
Despite all the talk of WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction). . . they can't kill you any worse than a WMD (Weapon of Minor Destruction) can. I'm not too worried.
On an individual level that is true. | |
| tembpoib 2003-12-19, 4:21 pm |
| Well, being an individual, I can't get too worried about weapons of mass destruction when the weapons of minor destruction seem to do their job just fine. | |
| thecomeons 2003-12-19, 4:35 pm |
| Television, the drug of the Nation Breeding
ignorance and feeding radiation | |
| mindmesh 2003-12-19, 4:41 pm |
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Originally posted by tembpoib
Well, being an individual, I can't get too worried about weapons of mass destruction when the weapons of minor destruction seem to do their job just fine.
Personally, I would rather be shot then have a nuke dropped on my house.. But thats just me. | |
| jimbo2002 2003-12-19, 5:32 pm |
| I wonder what most people worry about on a day to day basis, weapons of mass destruction or, poverty, education, health care, the environment, job security, unemployment, pensions,financial security. I wonder. | |
| ChrisDfer 2003-12-19, 7:05 pm |
| I tend to worry about that spooky man that lives in my closet and under my bed. | |
| bearing 2003-12-19, 7:30 pm |
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Originally posted by thecomeons
Television, the drug of the Nation Breeding
ignorance and feeding radiation
I saw the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy at a festival headed by the Cult at Finsbury Park circa 92, Neds Atomic Dustbin were also singing about Televisions at the same concert. | |
| tembpoib 2003-12-20, 11:12 pm |
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Originally posted by mindmesh
Personally, I would rather be shot then have a nuke dropped on my house.. But thats just me.
Well, I will concede that the kind of death one suffers is a highly personal issue to some people, but I'll wager that being nuked to death will result in a death that is no deader that being shot to death. If anything, the nuke would probably vaporize you faster and cause less pain than being shot in the buttocks and dying a slow, embarASSing death. Like the Ozz said, thank god for the bomb! | |
| me? I dunno... 2003-12-21, 6:26 am |
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Don't think you can fit that many wind turbines on the roof. Could try the new Fission Reactor, that would probably not only power the building but manhattan as well
what about solar? why couldnt the entire outer shell of that building be a power generator?
greatest threat? privatization of democracy. | |
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| darthfeces 2003-12-21, 4:32 pm |
| the tower's going to be 1776 feet ....
got damm that's arrogant.
i can't wait for doom3 and halflife2
so i can do some good old fashioned
fake killing ! | |
| Tarzanboy 2003-12-21, 5:32 pm |
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Originally posted by me? I dunno...
what about solar? why couldnt the entire outer shell of that building be a power generator?
If it were in Phoenix that idea might work quite well, but doubtful at best in NYC...
Cheers,
TB | |
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| Papiya 2003-12-22, 8:10 am |
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I'm just glad they got Saddam before someone turned that whole area into one giant "GLASS PARKING LOT!!!!"
Give it a little time, dearie . . . | |
| LunchBokz 2003-12-22, 2:43 pm |
| I'm sure glad we have the ability to spend an additional 87 BILLION dollars on the Iraqi war effort. We just had that money laying around and it wasn't going to be used for anything else (not public education, not health care, not eliminating poverty in our own country, not helping the less fortunate in other countries). Colin Powell has admitted that if WMD's are ever found, no one will really believe they were already there. There will always be suspicion that they were planted (or the story fabricated) to justify this ILLEGAL war. Let me get this straight...we defied the U.N. and invaded Iraq because they defied the U.N. ...Makes sense. | |
| mindmesh 2003-12-22, 3:04 pm |
| I'm betting your voting for Dean.. | |
| Tarzanboy 2003-12-22, 5:37 pm |
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I'm betting your voting for Dean..
Ouch... | |
| azimuth40 2003-12-22, 11:58 pm |
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Originally posted by LunchBokz
I'm sure glad we have the ability to spend an additional 87 BILLION dollars on the Iraqi war effort. We just had that money laying around and it wasn't going to be used for anything else (not public education, not health care, not eliminating poverty in our own country, not helping the less fortunate in other countries). Colin Powell has admitted that if WMD's are ever found, no one will really believe they were already there. There will always be suspicion that they were planted (or the story fabricated) to justify this ILLEGAL war. Let me get this straight...we defied the U.N. and invaded Iraq because they defied the U.N. ...Makes sense.
While I agree with you about the money and I would have liked proof of WMD, I do not agree with your ending sentence. Everyone that says that never shows proof. What we did is defy 3 members of the security council who said that we should wait a little longer. The members never disputed that we had the right to advance.
The UN had already authorized it. The mistake the U.S. and Britain made was asking one last time "are you guys sure its OK' and then they said well maybe not. Thats like a cop asking is it OK to send in SWAT to get a hold up murderer even though the law is already on the books. Someone then says lets wait until we find gunpower residue on his hands.
While people say that the U.S. is arrogant and as the leader of the band I guess we have to take that, however others are equally arrogant. It has always ticked me off that other nations in the coalition have been slighted in this effort. They sent troops and for their comparative size their risk was equally as great. When the Italians lost their first troops it amazed me how few people seem to know how many nations were/are in the coalition. "Gee there were Italians there? I had no idea".
Then there are the Japanese even with a non-aggression clause in their constitution they still sent non-combatant personnel whom we now see faced equal risks compared to their assigned mission. The fact that this could occur says that world news in general is one sided while the U.S. and its press gets blamed for propaganda. Greater than sixty nations have participated yet only the non-participating security council members seem to be important.
The security council is not the U.N. It is just an inner circle that was needed during the U.N. creation to get the major world powers to sign on. Simply an idea to not prevent the mistakes of the League of Nations. It worked for crime mobs in the 20's and 30's so I guess it is supposed to work for the U.N. There are 191 member states in the U.N.
Sorry I tend to avoid these discussions but sometimes I can't help myself. As of two days before Xmas the coalition has lost 463 Americans, 53 Britons, one Dane, 17 Italians, one Pole, one Spaniard and one Ukrainian, in the war. How did that Dane, Pole, Spaniard, and Ukrainian get in there, must have been kidnapped and conscripted while vacationing in Disneyland.
The U.S. and 42 out of 191 member nations in the coalition or 22.5 percent of U.N. members. Doesn't sound very united does it.
Afghanistan
Albania
Australia
Azerbaijan
Britain
Bulgaria
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan (non-combatant logistics only)
Kuwait
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Mongolia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Singapore
Slovakia
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Spain
Turkey
Uganda
Uzbekistan | |
| Tech Ranger 2003-12-23, 4:07 am |
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I'm betting your voting for Dean..
Dean Who? | |
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| me? I dunno... 2003-12-23, 5:40 am |
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How did that Dane, Pole, Spaniard, and Ukrainian get in there,
economic terrorism, thats how.
also, I see you have turkey (among others) erroneously on your list. remember that turkey, supposedly a democracy, with around 95% of the people firmly against participation, has a government that has fallen prey to the economic victimization of the current u.s. regime. I suspect that the majority of that list where you attempt to mislead in suggesting a democratic will in support of the united states, are also erroneously included.
regarding the united nations, an overwhelming majority oppose/d this war and define/d it as an illegal act.
that there were italians involved is no surprise, they have an openly fascist government. when the prime minister of israel welcomes (as he recently did) a representative of a foreign government (italy) who has openly praised mussolini as having been a great and visionary man, and publicly admitted to being a fascist, then it is no surprise at all that there were/are italians in iraq fighting on behalf of openly fascist israel. it is no surprise that the openly fascist government of italy is also fully compliant and allied with the current u.s. administration.
how did the openly fascist government of italy get elected? silvio (mussolini) berlusconi owns 95% of italian media, thats how.
zionist nazi pricks. | |
| LunchBokz 2003-12-23, 7:01 am |
| While I agree with you about the money and I would have liked proof of WMD,
"I would have liked proof of WMD"
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This is the REASON we went to war! It wasn't because Saddam was a "bad" man. It was because he had WMD's and Iraq was a direct threat to the U.S. and had ties to bin Laden. After these turned out to be FALSE, it became "liberating" the Iraqi people. Is that our new role in the world? Liberating people from oppressive regimes while millions of our own people suffer in poverty with poor education and lack of health care? It was SO EASY for our government (Republican AND Democrat) to find that 87 billion when they can't find any money for our failing public schools. I'm just saying we need to clean up our own back yard before we go out looking for fights. | |
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