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| tbarney 2003-10-27, 12:31 pm |
| That is a very clever solution indeed.
Don't you know there are RIAA exec's in a meeting today who are just fuming like mad dogs and flogging thier lawyers....
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| Love it already  | |
| jimbo2002 2003-10-27, 6:45 pm |
| The report says "all it would take is 40,000 dollars to cover hardware and a cd collection". I would think the record industry would be delighted at the prospect of colleges spending that sort of money on cd,s. | |
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| so what is *equitable* in your opinion?
nothing? 10 dollars? 10,000?
should someone, be it record company, artist or anyone get something?
no royalty for play at all? free for use?
there is a point where we have to either argue for
1. our inalienable right to pirate the sh*t out of music/software/movie industry or any other industry the hell we want.
or
2. we are interested in working out a solution that meets the needs for college student to have relatively easy access to music wihtout paying an exorbant amount each.
most ppl's stance is... I want my mp3 free and anytime I want... well... let's be realistic... that's not going to happen leaglly...
the if it to do it illegally... what or why stop RIAA from suing them? which most of us object to?
This system can foster a great environment within a campus network, of voting for favorite songs... it is like an extended multi channel radio network... perfect? no, but seem to be a in between solution that's workable...
or do you prefer to have colleges just shut down its network as they are now and say no to mp3... or perhaps say no to student external access other than *approved* sites... how draconian would that be...
$40,000 for 3,500 cd's that students got a chance to voted on, that all have relatively access to? not bad... if all our legitimate argument for use of mp3 is legit, then this shouldn't be so objectionable isn't it? unless we, again, just want to pirate the hell out of it and simply use the legal and unfair price as an smokescreen for our real intention... | |
| jimbo2002 2003-10-28, 1:23 pm |
| I agree with a lot of what you say mikop, it is a step in the right direction and it might work out ok. However maybe colleges could spend that sort of money in a better way, they are education institutions after all and that should be first priority. But I take your point that it could create a good college community atmosphere with students voting on the music etc and being part of whats going on and giving them access to affordable music. But, you know the music industry has been on a gravy train for years and done very well out of young people. When piracy became an issue why didnt they take the initiative and give colleges exclusive access to a giant dbase of music setup by the music industry, maybe not for free but at a very reasonable cost. Rather than going in with all guns blazing. I dont think this will stop piracy, but like I say its a step towards a solution. | |
| Tennman 2003-10-28, 2:38 pm |
| I think that this is going to be good for the kids in college, but the record industry is still going to lose big money in this deal. Lots of people just don't realize how expensive it is to record music and they also tend to think that the record industry is making fists full money on each CD, this is just not the case.On an average, for every CD sold the industry makes about 20% profit the other 80% goes for overhead. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by Tennman
On an average, for every CD sold the industry makes about 20% profit the other 80% goes for overhead.
Then why are RIAA and the industry fighting the advocation, or devoting more resources, into streamlining the process?
80% overhead? artificial.
face it, you don't need to pay x y and z just to have 5 photos in an album cover or the huge list of credit that goes in every album. stream line the production process, both in making music, manufacturing, and distribution.
an industry can't just create jobs by making something jump through 100 loops each with an overhead just so they can have an end product costing more than it should and then have the consumer deal with it.
when you purchase a software that can be downloaded, do you think about the poor ups guy that's losing his job? the lumber guy that is losing his job because there is fewer paper product/packaging? or the cd stamping guy losing his job or the photographer losing his job?
an industry that fail to listen to their customer can't possibly expect their customers to stick up for them. | |
| Tennman 2003-10-29, 6:09 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by mikop
Then why are RIAA and the industry fighting the advocation, or devoting more resources, into streamlining the process?
80% overhead? artificial.
face it, you don't need to pay x y and z just to have 5 photos in an album cover or the huge list of credit that goes in every album. stream line the production process, both in making music, manufacturing, and distribution.
an industry can't just create jobs by making something jump through 100 loops each with an overhead just so they can have an end product costing more than it should and then have the consumer deal with it.
when you purchase a software that can be downloaded, do you think about the poor ups guy that's losing his job? the lumber guy that is losing his job because there is fewer paper product/packaging? or the cd stamping guy losing his job or the photographer losing his job?
an industry that fail to listen to their customer can't possibly expect their customers to stick up for them.
I will be glad to tell you why the industry so expensive. One word...Union! Music centers like Nashville are 98% union. Front men will make at least $100.00 per hour, side men will make $75.00 an hour, producers can make up to 200.00 dollars an hour,sound engineers can make 50-100 dollars an hour. As I have said before I have seen sessions that cost $50,000!. Shoot, I have seen quite a few 5,000 dollar weekly paychecks while I was produceing records. Another reason is that it cost more to produce CD's then phonograph records a lot more. | |
| RussS 2003-10-30, 12:32 am |
| Totally disagree there Tennman - cutting vinyl is a damn more expensive process compared to burning CDs.
Unions? - hell, they are just trying to get some of the cream that the BIG record companies make. The unfortunate downside is that smaller companies sometimes get railroaded into paying steep fees. Most unions are like that anyways - just look at UAW and a few others ....
I do however feel for guys who are producing niche market sounds with limited appeal - especially orchestral productions, pipe bands and stuff like that. Then again, when you produce a platinum record the expense percentage is a lot better than when you just sell to friends and relatives ... lol | |
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