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Braindumps? Who has read them.
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| xonkers 2002-08-21, 12:43 pm |
| There are still a lot of sites that post braindumps and I curious as to how many people here have read through a braindump before taking the exams.
note - there is no distinction here between reading them for memorising or reading them disaprovingly just for 'research' and then 'knowing the aswers anyway so it didnt count'. If you have read them then you did.
C'mon folks, lets be honest. I'll start - I didnt know what a braindump was for first two exams, unwittingly used one to study the third time and have used one for an upcoming exam.
Cheers | |
| ruscorp 2002-08-21, 1:02 pm |
| People who use braindumps:
1.) Paper MCSEs, CCNAs, CNAs, CNEs, A+ and the list goes on.
2.) prozac_attAcK from the A+ forum.
3.) That other moron who took 6 attempts to pass a Microsoft exam, forgot his name.
4.) Cheaters
5.) Wannabes
6.) People who have no sense of pride
7.) Deadbeats
8.) People who have no dignity
9.) People who weren't hugged enough
10.) George W. Bush | |
| NetChild1985 2002-08-21, 2:08 pm |
| I agree with you ruscorp! braindumps are not the way to pass an exam. I don't understand people who use braindumps. Don't they realize they won't get a job, because they haven't the necessary skills and knowledge. What's the advantage of the certification then?
quote:
Originally posted by ruscorp
3.) That other moron who took 6 attempts to pass a Microsoft exam, forgot his name.
His name is Earl!  | |
| ruscorp 2002-08-21, 2:23 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by NetChild1985
His name is Earl!
Ahhh, yes. Now I remember. The guy with cert logos plastered all over his webpage. | |
| xonkers 2002-08-21, 2:36 pm |
| Ruscorp, you also forgot
11) People who read braindumps and then pretend like they didnt afterwards and then act as if it is a sacrilege and offensive to them.
One thing that wasnt mentioned here was that reading braindumps is NOT necessarily meaning that the person doesnt know what they are doing. In my case I had the Core down to a science and actually only read the braindump until the day before not even know what it was! (I have almost the entire core on floppy and half the OS too)
Anyway - just to add that a brilliant networking admin could also nail an exam and may also - in addition to that fact - read a braindump if only to catch his weak spots and re-study them.
Not to write a novel here, but I wonder how some anti-braindumpers justify buying practice exams off the net, which are made by people that that are making them based directly on braindumps. How is that really any different at all?
Ever notice how some other sites have started as 'braindump communities' and then after collecting all the questions (for free) they then turn into 'legitimate' sites that are now anti-braindump but suddenly they have these 100% guarunteed 'practice exams'?
If you are part of a school and through the grapevice you get tipped off on the top ten hardest questions the previous group had and you note those down to study... Are you doing the exact same thing?
Just some thoughts here folks,
Cheers | |
| xonkers 2002-08-21, 2:46 pm |
| Oh and also another one for Ruscorp and his list of people who use braindumps:
12) People with highest grade averages who have stronger core knowledge than most people in same course and who are studying to know everything they can with great dedication and are then sick and tired of seeing others use all the braindumps they want and later pretending like they didnt, which is effectively diminishing the truly dedicated work this guy put in to it.
13) People who are very poor and cant afford to chance losing $500 dollars by losing a crucial 5% advantage they might not have had. | |
| twister166 2002-08-21, 3:29 pm |
| I have seening few braindumps over my 13 years of IT career, some was before the exam and some after the exam. People show me it, and sometime ask me about the questions.
Using braindumps is not a crime, but rather cannot do the job is the crime. I must say that I had fired a few and hired a few. And the funny thing is that the FOB's are easier to train, because they FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS and no attitudes.
I do not encourage it, use it at your own risk, it is still not a garantee to pass the test. What I am trying to say is that you don't need to pass a test to do your job, it also does not mean that you can do your job if you passed the test!
I have had failed a few tests and still doing my job.
Getting a bear soon after two exam today! Cheers! | |
| twister166 2002-08-21, 3:35 pm |
| BTW, I do like George Bush, putting him at 10 there is so not cool!
It is not easy to be the president, there is always half the people don't like him...
He may not be the smartest, but he puts his integrity for all Americans... and I was even born here!
Just so, I know politics gets heated in the boards, and I am not the wrong subject boards. This will be extend of my conversation on this topic. Thank you for listening and god bless america.  | |
| TW2001 2002-08-21, 4:27 pm |
| AHHHHHHHH NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| ruscorp 2002-08-21, 5:09 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by ruscorp
People who use braindumps:
1.) Paper MCSEs, CCNAs, CNAs, CNEs, A+ and the list goes on.
2.) prozac_attAcK from the A+ forum.
3.) That other moron who took 6 attempts to pass a Microsoft exam, forgot his name.
4.) Cheaters
5.) Wannabes
6.) People who have no sense of pride
7.) Deadbeats
8.) People who have no dignity
9.) People who weren't hugged enough
10.) George W. Bush
Let it be known that I am officially retracting #10 because I don't want to stir controversy, it is just a joke. Let's pretend I said: 10.) Martha Stewart. | |
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| oh no! you are attacking one of the few female executive! why not name any of the male crooked ceo? of all of the available pool you have to name a female!
this is a concerted effort to keep the female down in this male dominated society you sexist pig!
don't you love the society we live in?
and yes.. god forbid if you name a female minority handicapped crook... | |
| ruscorp 2002-08-21, 5:24 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by mikop
oh no! you are attacking one of the few female executive! why not name any of the male crooked ceo? of all of the available pool you have to name a female!
this is a concerted effort to keep the female down in this male dominated society you sexist pig!
don't you love the society we live in?
and yes.. god forbid if you name a female minority handicapped crook...
OK, I am changing it again to Ken Lay. That shouldn't offend anyone. | |
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| heh now you are just attacking probably all of us
who among us would not have thread that shade of gray in our goal to be a freaking rich bastard? | |
| twister166 2002-08-21, 7:21 pm |
| Ruscorp, thank you! Greatly appreciated!
And Ken Lay Who??? | |
| ruscorp 2002-08-21, 9:29 pm |
| You know, good 'ol Kenny Boy. | |
| AMDWiZARD 2002-08-22, 12:12 am |
| Alright I dont know about dissin the guy who took 6 tries to pass 70-216, I surely commend his effort. I took the Server+ three times and passed on the fourth attempt. Each time i came within a 2% margin of passing. I passed on my fourth time. What does taking the exam 100 times have to do with braindumps?! Don't make fun of him, You are number 14 which says
14) <---- | |
| xonkers 2002-08-22, 3:08 am |
| I second that amdwiz!
As far as Im concerned a pass after 8 tries is still a pass and every bit as legitimate as a first timer.
I have to admire that guy because maybe he had no natural ability and no good support and he just kept willing himself to do it!
I think of a guy in my boxing club that got teased and dubbed 'canvas-back Mike' because he had 3 losses in a row... I admired the hell out of that guy for what he was doing.
He had no natural talent at all and no physical attributes for it and he went at it anyway and was better than before and at least he had the guts to do it!
He later beat the MCSE by knockout which was his real natural ability.
Good previous reply!
Cheers | |
| thecomeons 2002-08-22, 5:03 am |
| sure i have read braindumps. all of the sites i found on the internet when i started to study for my a+ last year seemed to be either dumps or had loads of links to dumps. i even downloaded and printed some off.
at this time i was just building up a load of questions and answers like i had in the back of my exam cram book.
never-the-less, i soon found out what dumps where and how a lot of answers are incorrect. so i binned them.
interactive tests are much more fun anyway - exam drill, transcender, cert21, exam essentials, freecomptia.
the point i am trying to make, is that, like me, unless you come across a cert portal or forum, such as exam notes, you will not know or realise that dumps contain actual q&a or wrong data.
but what can be done? paying for higher positions in google and other such sites? unless microsoft, novell and comptia are prepared to sponsor forums, we could end up having to subscribing to such forums. | |
| HOOLIGAN 2002-08-22, 9:49 am |
| ExamCram in the preface of the book recommended people to surf the net for them as part of their study guide.
I came across some when I first started studying for the A+ and they went like '....here the questions, failed three times...big pool of Q's did not get too many same come up a second time. etc etc.
I think they are for the Cert junkies, and not real pro's, no one hires paper certs any more. | |
| Teck Shark 2002-08-22, 10:00 am |
| Braindumps are not good study material. All you're doing is memorizing. Studying is learning & practicing the material. That's why hands-on is the best. Any kind of simulation software, or a home network you can practice on is the best way to study. Then you're not just reading about these concepts, you're practicing them. braindumps are a complete waste of time because you don't learn anything. | |
| ruscorp 2002-08-22, 10:14 am |
| I don't know AMDWiZARD and xonkers, 6 times seems one too many attempts. Maybe he didn't fully memorize the questions on the first 5 attempts? Give me a break, don't take a test unless you are prepared or have inherited the Trump fortune. I could understand a failure or two, but 6?! It's quite obviously he utilized bd's in his quest for MCSE. I may not be MCSE, but as least I can say I did actually studying and did not take the easy way out. | |
| Kasor 2002-08-22, 12:27 pm |
| yeah.
I did it on my first IT exam! I believe it "A+" exam.. But it was long long long time ago.
After all, the exam was too easy. No need to.
Ha ... :0 | |
| xonkers 2002-08-22, 2:54 pm |
| NOw that I think about it..
Six times is really really too many times to be taking that lol!
I was just thinking that even with Comptie's big pool of questions, you would have to start getting at least many of the same questions by the 4-5-6th tries?
Well still, either he is very rich and essentially 'bought' the exam out - or- the guy has a hell of a lot of determination that I just have to admire.
If he does MCSE then some I guesstimate it will cost him about $20000 CDN for the exams alone!
Yikes! | |
| twister166 2002-08-22, 3:05 pm |
| It is a good thing MS only list the exam that you actually passed... On the other hand Cisco list every failed attempts... Don't know about CompTia...
I am pretty sure most of us has seening the braindumps once or twice, even in the trancender you will see the same Q pops up in the real exam. That is normal...
Just like anything in life, don't like it, don't use it. You can excercise your opinion of dislike but really do not have rights to accuse others's of wrong doing of simply reading the braindumps. They fully faces their own consequences based on their own choice. | |
| chodan 2002-08-22, 4:49 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by twister166
It is a good thing MS only list the exam that you actually passed... On the other hand Cisco list every failed attempts... Don't know about CompTia...
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Whoah
I didn`t know that..
I`d better not start failing Cisco tests hehe. | |
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| I think I may have marred my record a bit then...
*fingers crossed* | |
| ruscorp 2002-08-22, 6:35 pm |
| Crap, Cisco lists failed attempts? There's one test I'll know not to fail. | |
| twister166 2002-08-22, 11:06 pm |
| I had just one F, may be I can fix it and make it a P with a marker, should not be too difficult! | |
| Drummer 2002-08-25, 8:24 pm |
| Yeah, I read a few after I studied for a while and I got even more confused. That's when I decided to dump the dumps and just stick with the books and notes. It's the only way to go. | |
| xonkers 2002-08-26, 4:47 am |
| Thanks for everyones honesty in this poll so far!
I suspect that the real numbers might be a bit higher as to people who have seen dumps but still - that was a majority who have said they at least viewed them.
I know what you are saying Drummer - they can actually confuse you.
In my case I had read a few Slot 1 questions in a braindump and when 2 almost identical but slightly different questions came up on the actual test - I was thrown off a little bit by what I had studied based on the dump. Sadly those two Slot questions prevent me from a 20 out of 20 (not that it matters but I just thought it would have been cool to Ace it lol) I may have had a better chance without the MISinformation clogging my thinking.
Its up to the individual to study up and understand the theory but I still think the braindump may be a huge advantage at least in time management.
Thanks again everybody who voted! If you havent yet please do!
Cheers | |
| PCDude 2002-08-26, 10:51 am |
| I looked at one when I was studying for my A+ exam. After I found out what it was I got rid of it because braindumps are for losers and I am not a loser. I want to learn the material not cheat. Because I am for real.. Baby | |
| thecomeons 2002-08-26, 3:26 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by twister166
It is a good thing MS only list the exam that you actually passed... On the other hand Cisco list every failed attempts... Don't know about CompTia...
all comptia cert holders can access their details via comptia website. i was unable to take my o/s because there was no prometric-approved observer i was given "fail/no show" against the date. | |
| xonkers 2002-08-27, 3:03 pm |
| That is just horrible to think you set aside the time and prep and are not able to take the exam. I would like to think you would get some compensation but I assume there was none for you. For me, the timing is crucial and I need to set my 'lucky' times for it lol.
You mentioned that you can look up your own info but Im really curious if anyone here knows where (or if?) Statistics could be found on the pass/fail rates if major certs?
I dont know what it would tell us?.. but it may indicate when an exam has been braindumped to death and/or is about to change or increase in difficulty.
A case being when the new Net+ was first out it was getting passed by almost anyone it seemed - then Comptia upped the difficulty. I bet a lot of people shelling out $400 would have liked to know it was being changed.
Anyone know of any pass/fail Stats on these things?
Cheers | |
| AMDWiZARD 2002-08-27, 11:32 pm |
| I took the Comptia test 4 times. Does that mean I cheated? Hell no! That was $764 out of my pocket. That's too much money to spend to "cheat". Yeah Comptia records how many times you took it. I also took the Server+ back-2-back on the same day I failed it in January 2002. I took the test on the same day and failed it. Failed it in June and Passed it in July. But ever since I've passed that test, I have passed (2) more tests in a row. Sh*t happens man, all it takes is to answer one question wrong (which happens to be the deciding factor). 2% -5% failure margin? That was like 1- 3 questions for me. You know, I was talkin to a lady who administers the tests and she told me that people GIVE UP after failing 70-216 TWICE. The man took it six times. He didn't give up. He deserves credit. And dont forget the fact that if you fail twice you have to wait (14) days to retest and another (14) per failure. With Comptia I had to wait (1) month to test after I failed the Server+ back-2-back.. then it just got long and I kinda overlooked it, then it just was bugging me so I went back and slammed it down. Persistance, Motivation, and Desire are all keys to the door called SUCCESS.
Give the man his props, dont diss him.
AMDWiZARD | |
| mikop 2002-08-28, 12:46 am |
| blah, I don't care. | |
| xonkers 2002-08-28, 1:04 am |
| I know what you are saying and I have to admire the determination if anyone who keeps on it. In my case I was handed the worst courseware you have ever seen in your life and was the only student going in for A+ so I never had any idea whatsoever what it was about - it turned out that Comptia had changed the exam in the mean time and to add to the mess, i had a wicked head cold. I failed both sections by just a few questions (amazing I got that if you saw how horrible and outdated my courseware was!)
The next time I just nailed it and its a pass as good as any other.
I still insist that a pass is a PASS. period.
If it takes 4 tries it doesnt make any diffence. I would only take wonder if someone was essentially 'buying out' the exam by taking it 6 times in a row just to note only the questions until they couldnt help but pass by elimination.
In effect buying a braindump for themselves.
Mind you -in todays massive adaptive exams you dont get too many repeat questions so the guys 6th time is a Pass!
I still think six is really getting carried away though. I mean, SIX times?
Well power to him!
Good point AMDwiz! | |
| jhamather 2002-09-01, 4:48 pm |
| I've noticed that their are several mistakes in some brain dumps; take caution and check against a reliable source!!  | |
| chodan 2002-09-01, 5:21 pm |
| wow
I can`t imagine taking a test 6 times.
I have failed tests before though, the first was the IIS4 test for microsoft and the next was the accellerated MCSE test.
I can`t blame courseware though. I am ultimately responsible for my own tests.
There was really no reason for me to fail either test.
we usually fail because:
1. we don`t prepare well enough.
um I can`t think of another reason.
The only training I`ve ever had for a test was the Cisco Internetwork Design course paid for by my job, every other test was passed using self study only.
Relying on a school or instructor to give you all the information you need to pass is ill advised.
Use the internet people!!
Find the best books and practice tests take a little initiative to study.
Stop spending thousands of dollars being spoon fed the material and start self studying.
One caveat: if your company pays for your training take it then self study the rest of the way and pass the test the first time. | |
| xonkers 2002-09-01, 11:50 pm |
| That is such a good point on the self-instruction etc.
At the time I had no computer, hadnt used one ever, and hadnt taken courses since Gr.10 so I really just assumed that a tech school would 'obviously' give me all I would need.
I easily passed their exams by large margin and did a lot of self-study as 'insurance'.
Wow! Was I ever surprised when I found at least 300 of my 500 score was from my own self-study. Less than half my knowledge was from the courseware.
I would recommend actual course if you can really see tangible proof that they are getting results from the tests. Otherwise you are just as well to use the internet and in my opinion Mike Meyers all in one Study guide is the best book out there. (Sybex isnt bad either but a distant second) IMHO.
ps - Since receiving complaints and legal threats from former students - That school I told you about has since dropped everything and actually replaced it with Mike Meyers book and videos!
Cheers |
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