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| ace123 2002-07-15, 8:14 am |
| I have a customer that wants to know is there a program that will work on windows that if the wrong password is enter it will kill all data permanently with no chance of recovery and no second chance to enter the password? | |
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| I already answered you on my forum, and since I am a lazy bum, I am not going to retype it... so there  | |
| ace123 2002-07-15, 9:02 am |
| Ok So be that way | |
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| lol | |
| ace123 2002-07-15, 9:07 am |
| By the wat agree with and try to talk him out of it. | |
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| Yeah, I figured you were... you know your stuff afterall, and this is clearly a bonehead thing to do. This sort of stuff can only come from a user who knows far less than they think, or from a lawyer  | |
| Webmaster 2002-07-15, 9:23 am |
| Is there a device that could be attached to a hard drive and if the password is entered incorrectly, the small explosive charge go off, destroing the hard drive, making recovery impossible?
I think that kind of device would actuall sell well. What do you think? | |
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| try going through airport security with that attached to your laptop... oh... hang on... they probably would not even know the C4 was there 
Frankly, no I do not think that it would sell all that well. Too dangerous, and too many things can go wrong like loss of data because the bloody thing blew up at the wrong time... | |
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| enforcer 2002-07-15, 1:55 pm |
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Originally posted by ace123
Take out the person who try to use your pc too
with some of the users out there, that might not be a bad selling point. | |
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| This I like , make the CD drive open and throw something at the long fingers  | |
| onoski 2002-07-15, 5:38 pm |
| Changing the subject still haven't answered the question | |
| enforcer 2002-07-15, 5:42 pm |
| questions are not to be answered, just a means to start a long line of banal and aimless chatter. and occaisonal flaming, mud slinging and general aspersions to ones character and state of mind. | |
| RichardJW 2002-07-15, 6:11 pm |
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I have a customer that wants to know is there a program that will work on windows that if the wrong password is enter it will kill all data permanently with no chance of recovery and no second chance to enter the password?
To kill the data permanently you'd have to format the hard drive. Data is recoverable even when files have been deleted. Not even a 2nd chance? Doesn't leave too much room for error does it? Q. doesn't address the issue of back up or data in multiple locations. Does such a program exist? Not to my knowledge. Client should get Microsoft to write the program and integrate it into a new release of the operating system. Why? Because you need the source code most probably to do this if you mean the logon password. Client should consider encryption. Client is an idiot. | |
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| Try using the CMOS password, this impossible to brake without opening the computer case. | |
| wicket 2002-07-16, 3:27 pm |
| http://www.drivecrypt.com/drivecrypt.html
This sounds like the best idea for your client. Make sure you check out all of the features... from what I gather, even if you pulled out the hd and slaved it, it would still be encrypted. Gawd-damn lawyers. | |
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| If youre Cmos setup supports it you can even
have the computer only power up by keyboard password. But if you are using Win98 youre data is never save without using some 3party encryption software. | |
| ace123 2002-07-17, 6:36 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by wicket
http://www.drivecrypt.com/drivecrypt.html
This sounds like the best idea for your client. Make sure you check out all of the features... from what I gather, even if you pulled out the hd and slaved it, it would still be encrypted. Gawd-damn lawyers.
That mite do it for him.Thanks I will let him know | |
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| MistyRing 2002-07-19, 3:39 am |
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To kill the data permanently you'd have to format the hard drive
Hard drives can be unformatted and the data recovered. You want Win2K/XP and encryption.
And yes, the client is an idiot. | |
| Johnny5Alive 2002-07-19, 4:46 am |
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Originally posted by MistyRing
Hard drives can be unformatted and the data recovered. You want Win2K/XP and encryption.
And yes, the client is an idiot.
Yep, done that. Formatted AND deleted all partitions on an NTFS drive, and then completly recovered some files I had forgotten to remove. Files work PERFECT!!!
Encryption can be hacked too.
Norton SystemWorks 2002 has a file wipe. It confirms to US Dept. of Defence standards to remove data from a file. It overwrites the file data up to 100 separate passes with random HEX code.
Good stuff.
Oh BTW - the client is an idiot. | |
| enforcer 2002-07-19, 5:33 am |
| the client only works the way it was configured. maybe it needs a service pack | |
| RichardJW 2002-07-19, 6:07 am |
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the client is an idiot.
lol ... I'm sure I was having an off day when I originally posted that.
A low-level format will wipe all the data but not all drives permit low-level formatting once they leave the manufacturer. Okay so let's say you delete a file. How do you ensure that the data is not recoverable? By overwriting the disk space formerly occupied by that file with another. However, it's very doubtful your data wipe would need to conform to US Dept. of Defence standards. An unsophisticated program to do this is not particularly difficult to write making use of the Win 32 API. | |
| ace123 2002-07-19, 6:37 am |
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Originally posted by gauji
Try using the CMOS password, this impossible to brake without opening the computer case.
I have a program that will reset ALL setting in the cmos on any pc so long as there is an open.exp: floppy,internet serial or parallel port. | |
| enforcer 2002-07-19, 6:46 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by ace123
I have a program that will reset ALL setting in the cmos on any pc so long as there is an open.exp: floppy,internet serial or parallel port.
you hacker, you.
well i have a program that will get passwords from all excel and word docs. nb the password that will unlock these does not have to be the same as was set up. I had an excel ss that i had protected with a password, the crack program gave me a different password, and that unlocked it. weird!!!! | |
| ace123 2002-07-19, 6:50 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Johnny5Alive
Norton SystemWorks 2002 has a file wipe. It confirms to US Dept. of Defence standards to remove data from a file. It overwrites the file data up to 100 separate passes with random HEX code.
Good stuff.
Oh BTW - the client is an idiot.
This would be ok
If it could be run without a prompting for "Are you sure you want to kill every thing."Must be no second chance.
I think I mite have talk him into useing http://www.drivecrypt.com/drivecrypt.html that wicket recommended
One more thing
He only wants to do this if there an auditor is sitting at his pc.Maybe a hot key to run a small application would be better for him or is it possible to have two passwords one that get you in and one that kills in win98
And YES the client is an idiot. | |
| HOOLIGAN 2002-07-20, 6:16 am |
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I have a customer that wants to know is there a program that will work on windows that if the wrong password is enter it will kill all data permanently with no chance of recovery and no second chance to enter the password?
You know, if you did install such a program on his system. youd get a call a week later saying, " er um ahh, that program you instaled last week, can it be reversed?" | |
| enforcer 2002-07-21, 12:56 pm |
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Originally posted by HOOLIGAN
You know, if you did install such a program on his system. youd get a call a week later saying, " er um ahh, that program you instaled last week, can it be reversed?"
be a bit like a vasectomy then. | |
| lardie 2002-07-21, 6:36 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by gauji
Try using the CMOS password, this impossible to brake without opening the computer case.
You reckon ??? | |
| mhdodson 2002-07-21, 7:27 pm |
| this is exactly what would happenquote:
Originally posted by HOOLIGAN
You know, if you did install such a program on his system. youd get a call a week later saying, " er um ahh, that program you instaled last week, can it be reversed?"
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| ace123 2002-07-24, 7:27 am |
| agree |
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I like it