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To Ban or Not to Ban? That is the Question!!
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| chyna1057 2002-12-20, 9:38 am |
| Hey Guys!! I thought this would be a great topic of discussion to get a few views on what going on in NYC.
http://www.ny1.com/ny/Search/SubTop...search_result=1
Me being an ex-smoker myself, of almost 3 years, I have to say I have mixed feelings on this. Although I definitely w/o a doubt condone banning smoking in resturants, I have to say that to ban smoking in Bars and Clubs was a bit harsh. Alcohol and cigarettes go hand and hand to a smoker.
Like Milk and cereal. I think around food, Smoking is absolutely digusting. But at a bar or club? That's what people do. I can't say I like the fact that I smell of cigarettes when I come home from a night club. But what I can say is, I am not thinking about it when I am out dancing and having a good time w/ my friends. If it really bothered me, I'd stay home! Just my 2 cents. Can't wait to hear other views. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 9:45 am |
| Smoke doesn't really bother me much, but remember that some people, such as those with asthma, might suffer for it. If smoking is allowed, there should be an area where those who dislike it should be able to get away from it. | |
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| We all have the ability to choose. I think there should be separate areas for smokers and non-smokers. I do not smoke but I worked in a bar for many years. I don't think the goverment should police this. They should do more to get the child molesters off the streets and out of the churches.  | |
| MistyRing 2002-12-20, 9:54 am |
| like you i'm an ex-smoker. i would ban it in all indoor public environments except those licensed to serve alcohol. | |
| chyna1057 2002-12-20, 9:58 am |
| You all create very valid statements. They should worry more about child molesters and things like that. Before we all know, New York will be shut down to all who don't have somekind of chip implanted in their skulls to grant access. Maybe some biometrics at the toll booths.  | |
| CoffeeFreak 2002-12-20, 9:59 am |
| agree joni, there are bigger things this country should be worrying about..  | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 10:03 am |
| We have enough laws already, I am not sure it needs to be regulated, but as a matter of courtesy, it would be nice. | |
| freak 2002-12-20, 10:06 am |
| I would. It is disgusting to go to a restaurant and have people smoke around you while you are trying to enjoy your meal.
Also, I stopped going to bars and listening to local bands play because I hate smelling like an ashtray for a week after that... | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 10:08 am |
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Originally posted by freak
Also, I stopped going to bars and listening to local bands play because I hate smelling like an ashtray for a week after that...
LOL. Yeah, that stale smoke smell is not very nice. | |
| chyna1057 2002-12-20, 10:12 am |
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Also, I stopped going to bars and listening to local bands play because I hate smelling like an ashtray for a week after that...
Why? You didn't shower for a week? 
Haaahaha!! :P
Before you give cyperpunch in my shoulder, I was just kidding!! | |
| bearing 2002-12-20, 10:34 am |
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Originally posted by freak
I would. It is disgusting to go to a restaurant and have people smoke around you while you are trying to enjoy your meal.
Also, I stopped going to bars and listening to local bands play because I hate smelling like an ashtray for a week after that...
Why not smell of Febreeze then!!
As an ex-smoker, I do find it irritating to have someone around that smokes, and the stale smoke smell in your hair and clothes is vile.
Even the best air conditioning systems struggle to keep areas smoke free, and no-smoking areas still smell smokey although not offensive. The problem is that in a pub for example, why shouldn't somebody smoke? they are out to have a good time and to relax with friends, why should somebody say to them that they cannot smoke.
It's a tough decision especially in the US because to ban smoking seems to fly in the face of being 'The Land of the Free'.
If you ask the majority of smokers about people smoking in Restaurants they'll admit that they too find it offensive if somebody a table away starts to puff on a fag(a cigarette that is, not a queer) so I believe there are ways to effect a smoking ban without alienating smokers. | |
| freak 2002-12-20, 10:35 am |
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Originally posted by chyna1057
Why? You didn't shower for a week?
Haaahaha!! :P
Before you give cyperpunch in my shoulder, I was just kidding!!
lol | |
| ruscorp 2002-12-20, 11:23 am |
| Kill Bloomberg!
You die! You die and go to hell!
I take back my vote dammit! | |
| freak 2002-12-20, 12:55 pm |
| dude, chill or you will give yourself a coronary! | |
| ChrisDfer 2002-12-20, 1:27 pm |
| Smoking should be banned from everywhere. After all we can't trust people to make up their own minds on what they want to do with their own bodies. But I think the real target should be Mcdonalds we need to go after them you know how many people die because of mcdonalds each year? At least 2. Now we can't have that. Burn them to the ground then we also go after all the racist white republicans and use them to feed the endangered spotted owl in Alaska. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 1:33 pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisDfer
Smoking should be banned from everywhere. After all we can't trust people to make up their own minds on what they want to do with their own bodies. But I think the real target should be Mcdonalds we need to go after them you know how many people die because of mcdonalds each year? At least 2. Now we can't have that. Burn them to the ground then we also go after all the racist white republicans and use them to feed the endangered spotted owl in Alaska.
It's not about making decisions for people, but about having people respect others. As I mentioned above, inhaling smoke could be medically harmful to some people, which would force them to leave when a smoker began puffing. | |
| HOOLIGAN 2002-12-20, 2:15 pm |
| yes resturaunt bar no. I dont smoke anymore.
I think Chyna hit the nail on the head. | |
| chyna1057 2002-12-20, 2:23 pm |
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But I think the real target should be Mcdonalds we need to go after them you know how many people die because of mcdonalds each year?
For Pete's sake!! Ronald McDonald isn't making personal visits to people forcing them to eat his food! Neither are non of the other fast food resturants. The thing here is FREEDOM of CHOICE. Remember that? People are CHOOOSING to get in their car,drive up to Mickey D's, and use THIER OWN money to get the fast food. Only way I would agree with you is the day when we find out they put crack in their ingredients. And people where robbing and stealing for a couple of french fries. | |
| HOOLIGAN 2002-12-20, 2:27 pm |
| Chyna, I think Chris was just taking the piss
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| chyna1057 2002-12-20, 2:29 pm |
| I sure hope he wasn't aiming at anyone.
LOL  | |
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| Freedom of choice is a beautiful thing. If people want to smoke, it's their choice. Agreed. It is a stupid choice in light of what we know now, but it is indeed their choice.
Where I get upset is that it is not *my* choice to have to pay extra taxes to *cure* these people once smoking finally catches up with them and they get really sick. I think that smokers should be self-insured and pay their own taxes for their own kind. I pay enough taxes as it is... | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 2:36 pm |
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Originally posted by freak
Freedom of choice is a beautiful thing. If people want to smoke, it's their choice. Agreed. It is a stupid choice in light of what we know now, but it is indeed their choice.
Where I get upset is that it is not *my* choice to have to pay extra taxes to *cure* these people once smoking finally catches up with them and they get really sick. I think that smokers should be self-insured and pay their own taxes for their own kind. I pay enough taxes as it is...
Now there's an idea! | |
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| I am all for the $50 pack of smokes, with the difference in taxes to subsidize the health insurance issue that they create. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 3:42 pm |
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Originally posted by freak
I am all for the $50 pack of smokes, with the difference in taxes to subsidize the health insurance issue that they create.
Let's hope they don't try that with beer. | |
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| I guess I would have to home brew exclusively | |
| MaulerJ 2002-12-20, 4:06 pm |
| You see someone who catches your eye, going for a smoke outside. You follow and light one up yourself, quieter, conversation begins, and you have something in common....... If later it doesn't look good, you can break it off by saying that you quit smoking, and bad influences... are not good | |
| jonhiker 2002-12-20, 4:44 pm |
| I just moved to oregon from california. in ca., there is no smoking in public places, bars & resturaunts, included. how very nice, and no, businesses didn't suffer. the only bad thing was walking the "gauntlet" of smokers outside the door. in portland, we are starting to see more smoke free bars/resturaunts and they still seem to be doing a very good business.
i also don't agree with the lawsuits against the tobacco companies. if you're going to smoke, read the label on the pack/carton..."smoking could be dangerous to your health"... therefore if you get lung cancer later, don't blame the cigarette companiesand expect them to pay for your medical treatments. | |
| ChrisDfer 2002-12-20, 5:07 pm |
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Originally posted by jonhiker
I just moved to oregon from california. in ca., there is no smoking in public places, bars & resturaunts, included. how very nice, and no, businesses didn't suffer. the only bad thing was walking the "gauntlet" of smokers outside the door. in portland, we are starting to see more smoke free bars/resturaunts and they still seem to be doing a very good business.
i also don't agree with the lawsuits against the tobacco companies. if you're going to smoke, read the label on the pack/carton..."smoking could be dangerous to your health"... therefore if you get lung cancer later, don't blame the cigarette companiesand expect them to pay for your medical treatments.
Hey you from portland also? I'm from sherwood which is about 30mins from portland. | |
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| I love smoking. However, I am a father and therefore don't smoke at home or in my car or around my house or around my son. There should definately be a place where you can just go and puff out. Every place should have a smokers lounge. And public places are public places I mean really this can turn into one of those freedoms and rights threads. People could start saying that the guy smoking in his house was blowing smoke out his window while he was jogging by and did it everyday for 40 years and now the jogger has lung cancer. | |
| jonhiker 2002-12-20, 5:17 pm |
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originally posted by ChrisDFer:
Hey you from portland also? I'm from sherwood which is about 30mins from portland.
Yep, i'm working in Lake Oswego & live in NE Portland.
The beer here is great! | |
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| Beer, cigarettes, and a good forum. You guys are making me thirst, while jonesing for a smoke, and intriguing my mind. | |
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Originally posted by ccaya
Beer, cigarettes, and a good forum. You guys are making me thirst, while jonesing for a smoke, and intriguing my mind.
LOL
What else is there? | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-12-21, 2:35 am |
| i am an ex-smoker too.
i say ban it.
go outside if you want to smoke. | |
| ccieToBe 2002-12-21, 3:09 am |
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Originally posted by ChrisDfer
Smoking should be banned from everywhere. After all we can't trust people to make up their own minds on what they want to do with their own bodies. But I think the real target should be Mcdonalds we need to go after them you know how many people die because of mcdonalds each year? At least 2. Now we can't have that. Burn them to the ground then we also go after all the racist white republicans and use them to feed the endangered spotted owl in Alaska.
Lol, exactly. | |
| ccieToBe 2002-12-21, 3:16 am |
| Something similar to this just passed here in Florida. I don't think it's the government's place to say. If they want to ban smoking in government facilities, fine. I have a real problem with them imposing this type of rule on privately owned businesses though.
Btw, no I'm not a smoker, and never have been. I personally think the habit is discusting, but it should be up to the property owner if smoking is allowed on the premisis. | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-12-21, 3:51 am |
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I personally think the habit is discusting, but it should be up to the property owner if smoking is allowed on the premisis.
i agree.
i think it would be best to ban smoking inside all restaurants, but not bars...
but i agree with this too... | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-21, 6:21 am |
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Originally posted by ccieToBe
Something similar to this just passed here in Florida. I don't think it's the government's place to say. If they want to ban smoking in government facilities, fine. I have a real problem with them imposing this type of rule on privately owned businesses though.
Btw, no I'm not a smoker, and never have been. I personally think the habit is discusting, but it should be up to the property owner if smoking is allowed on the premisis.
I agree. In public places like the Office of Motor Vehicles or something, I don't see them setting up a special smoker's section, and since it can cause problems for some people, not allowing I think would be good. As for private places, it should be up to the owner. I would like to think that they would have the courtesy to do the same, but do not think that it should be forced, although I too find smoking rather obnoxious. I wouldn't want someone coming to my house and telling me what to do. | |
| iggy4270 2002-12-21, 7:43 am |
| There are some good arguments for and against in this post, But as someone who has smoked for many years it's not about freedom of choice like it was in the beginning. Now it's an addiction. It has been proven that cigarettes are more addictive than heroin. I have quit a few times and plan on trying it a day at a time very soon, but the times I have quit and especially the last time was hell. I quit cold turkey (the only way) and I could actually feel the nicotine leaving my brain. that's how bad it is. I would never, nor have I ever smoked in a resturaunt, But as far as a bar goes I firmly believe that cigarettes and alcohol go hand in hand. Why do you think they tell you to stay away from booze when your trying to quit. don't ban it in bars just set up designated areas for smokers.
And by the way, nothing pisses me off more than an ex smoker who pisses and moans about second hand smoke. Very short memories. | |
| chyna1057 2002-12-23, 8:13 am |
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It has been proven that cigarettes are more addictive than heroin. I have quit a few times and plan on trying it a day at a time very soon, but the times I have quit and especially the last time was hell.
I gotta agree!! For me I tried cold turkey. But when I did, BOY WAS I A B%*TCH!! LOL.
Cigarettes are very very addictive. I needed help to quit. I had to use Zyban, which are prescribed pills you take that allow you to smoke while taking them for up to 2weeks. After the into the 2nd week, I would get sick to my stomach if I tried to smoke. Yuck!! That was almost 3 years ago. But the funny thing is, I STILL have cravings. STILL!! And read some where that the cravings will continue for about another 7 years. Damn, Now that's addiction. | |
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| As Mark Twain said, "quitting smoking is the easiest thing in the world. I have done it a thousand times" | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-23, 8:33 am |
| Kinf of like them night-time diets, I guess . . . between dinner and breakfast! | |
| ruscorp 2002-12-23, 1:31 pm |
| I say we tax bacon and eggs cause Mayor Doomsberg eats them every mourning. I'd love to just see him on the subway one day and tell him how much I hate him and want to shove my foot up his @ss. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-23, 2:29 pm |
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Originally posted by ruscorp
I say we tax bacon and eggs cause Mayor Doomsberg eats them every mourning. I'd love to just see him on the subway one day and tell him how much I hate him and want to shove my foot up his @ss.
Aren't bacon and eggs already taxed? | |
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one would think that they are! | |
| chodan 2002-12-23, 3:20 pm |
| To a smoker the only thing worse than a non-smoker is an ex-smoker
I think smoking should be made illegal, that way the tobacco farmers in Ky could get a decent price for their burly
I bet the Cig manufactorers make $500 a pound on tobacco easy.
I quit smoking 13 years ago "a year after I got clean & sober" take it from someone who has had to break a needle habit, smoking is as addictive as any drug out there.
Lets see I quit 13 years ago at 2 packs of marlboro's a day, how much money have I saved on smokes alone in that time? | |
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| enough to buy a Cisco CCIE training lab
Congrats on your success breaking the habit. That's very impressive. I never smoked nor did anything else of that nature, so I cannot begin to understand the difficulty of the process, but I still respect the effort and the will power. My hat's off to you, my friend. | |
| bigdaddychud 2002-12-23, 3:48 pm |
| Smoking is a choice and there should be places it can be done so as not to offend other people. I do not smoke cigs, but I do smoke cigars on occasion and I find it funny that smokers complain about my smoking and I am ask to either put it out or go somewhere else.
Oh well thats what cigar clubs and my back porch are for I guess.
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| I am all for cigar clubs. It is a wonderful idea. I am certianly against people being allowed to smoke cigars in a restaurant -- unless it is an advertised cigar afficionado restaurant -- while others are trying to enjoy their meal. | |
| ANDRONDA 2002-12-23, 4:00 pm |
| Seems to me that the government should not be dictating smoking policy in privately owned establishments.
If a restaurant establishment wants to allow smokers then that is up to the owner. If he or she decides that they are losing customers over their smoking policy one way or the other they could amend the policy to allow/disallow or limit smoking.
The government is too intrusive. Let the market sort it out. | |
| jonhiker 2002-12-23, 4:16 pm |
| Very good comment, ANDRONDA.
That's letting the individual market make the decision. | |
| chodan 2002-12-23, 5:15 pm |
| BTW
when I first saw the title of this thread I thought it was to ban or not been a member or dumpers or something like that. | |
| ccieToBe 2002-12-23, 5:59 pm |
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Originally posted by ANDRONDA
Seems to me that the government should not be dictating smoking policy in privately owned establishments.
If a restaurant establishment wants to allow smokers then that is up to the owner. If he or she decides that they are losing customers over their smoking policy one way or the other they could amend the policy to allow/disallow or limit smoking.
The government is too intrusive. Let the market sort it out.
Exactly. | |
| chyna1057 2002-12-23, 6:17 pm |
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BTW when I first saw the title of this thread I thought it was to ban or not been a member or dumpers or something like that
LOL, I'm game!!! | |
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Originally posted by ANDRONDA
Seems to me that the government should not be dictating smoking policy in privately owned establishments.
If a restaurant establishment wants to allow smokers then that is up to the owner. If he or she decides that they are losing customers over their smoking policy one way or the other they could amend the policy to allow/disallow or limit smoking.
The government is too intrusive. Let the market sort it out.
You are somewhat missing the point. Citizens vote and go through a referendum, at the end of which the question is settled. The gvt is not making that decision -- we are. | |
| ruscorp 2002-12-23, 7:35 pm |
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Originally posted by freak
You are somewhat missing the point. Citizens vote and go through a referendum, at the end of which the question is settled. The gvt is not making that decision -- we are.
The citizens of New York City did NOT vote and go through a referendum for this law. It was King Doomsberg that made the decision for us. | |
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| well, he was *elected*, right? | |
| ccieToBe 2002-12-23, 8:41 pm |
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Originally posted by freak
You are somewhat missing the point. Citizens vote and go through a referendum, at the end of which the question is settled. The gvt is not making that decision -- we are.
I don't think the government should impose a law making an otherwise legal activity illegal on privately owned property. This is regarless of whether or not the majority of the public supports it. I guess it boils down to how much you want the government to protect you. My view is that it should be as minimal as possible. | |
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| historically, Americans do not have much trust in their government, and most do not believe in the state being interventionist. On the contrary, many European countries have no problem with it. For example, I come from France where my taxes pay for free college and free health care. What do I get here for my taxes? I get to see the government drop bombs on Afghanistan | |
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Originally posted by ANDRONDA
Seems to me that the government should not be dictating smoking policy in privately owned establishments.
If a restaurant establishment wants to allow smokers then that is up to the owner. If he or she decides that they are losing customers over their smoking policy one way or the other they could amend the policy to allow/disallow or limit smoking.
The government is too intrusive. Let the market sort it out.
I have to agree with that. If you don't like it don't go there. | |
| ruscorp 2002-12-26, 10:03 pm |
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Originally posted by freak
well, he was *elected*, right?
Two words:
Brainwash, fluke. | |
| Kasor 2002-12-26, 10:51 pm |
| Ban on public , not everybody like the smell of ... | |
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| well, it's your taxes, you should be able to decide what they are used for...
The French constitution does not give us the right to bear arms. Nor to arm bears. But it does guarantee free and equal education to all French citizens. I dig that | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-27, 9:28 am |
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Originally posted by freak
well, it's your taxes, you should be able to decide what they are used for...
The French constitution does not give us the right to bear arms. Nor to arm bears. But it does guarantee free and equal education to all French citizens. I dig that
I thought the French were the romantic type??? If the rights of bearing arms and assembly are not allowed, how do you guys get new Frenchmen? | |
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| I don't recall that we did not have the right of assembly... just not the right to bear arms. Which I think is a great idea anyway. I don't care what anybody says, as far as I am concerned, nobody needs an AK 47 in their house. Period. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-27, 9:30 am |
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Originally posted by freak
I don't recall that we did not have the right of assembly... just not the right to bear arms. Which I think is a great idea anyway. I don't care what anybody says, as far as I am concerned, nobody needs an AK 47 in their house. Period.
Well, actually, I had a different sort of weapon in mind. | |
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| one that can inflict FLESH wounds? | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-27, 9:38 am |
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Originally posted by freak
one that can inflict FLESH wounds?
Heh, heh. Yeah, And it can be responsible for making new freaks as well. | |
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| now we're talking! Let's repopulate this world with little freaks... World Domination will be mine Now if only they could get their looks from their mama... that would be perfect. | |
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| ccieToBe 2002-12-27, 12:34 pm |
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Originally posted by freak
I don't care what anybody says, as far as I am concerned, nobody needs an AK 47 in their house. Period.
I think Yeti needs one to protect his lab | |
| freak 2002-12-27, 12:46 pm |
| taxes would be a little less over there for me. I live in Maine, which is the heaviest state in the union when it comes to taxes.
We don't see the point of owning 10 supercarriers. We'd rather send as many people to college as we can.
College is still taken seriously even if it is free. I had 2 Master's degrees by the age of 23. Had I lived here, my family would not have been able to afford one. I would have had to join the service and do it that way.
It's just a different outlook. Because I am a product of that system, I tend to think that it is better. But I am obviously biased. | |
| RichardJW 2002-12-27, 7:01 pm |
| I won't smoke in your presence but I will kick your head in. Now just what do you think about that?
While you're at it would you kindly refrain from turning that key in your ignition, getting your fat XXX off your car seat and walking someplace?
Thaanks! | |
| RichardJW 2002-12-27, 7:18 pm |
| Interestingly I smoke a heck of a lot but I'm in excellent physical condition (I also drink quite a bit.) I started smoking when I was 18 - I am now nearly 38 - btw the pic of me is only a couple of months old. On the other hand I have exercised a great deal over the years and am likely to be far fitter than you. I have never held a driving license and have found it more natural to run rather than walk since the age of 14. Obviously cigarettes are not good for you but continual exercise for years definitely is. The point I make is that diet & exercise are key to health and that if you truly want to promote health then concentrate on these things. | |
| freak 2002-12-27, 10:32 pm |
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Originally posted by RichardJW
I won't smoke in your presence but I will kick your head in. Now just what do you think about that?
While you're at it would you kindly refrain from turning that key in your ignition, getting your fat XXX off your car seat and walking someplace?
Thaanks!
What do I think about that? I think that you're in over your head with that sort of statement.
As for my fat butt, I am 5'8", 170 with under 7% body fat. I exercise daily, and have never smoked. If you want to think that you are in great shape, in better shape than anybody else, that's your right. Just don't be surprised if none of us agree with that statement... | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-12-28, 12:04 am |
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Originally posted by RichardJW
Interestingly I smoke a heck of a lot but I'm in excellent physical condition (I also drink quite a bit.) I started smoking when I was 18 - I am now nearly 38 - btw the pic of me is only a couple of months old. On the other hand I have exercised a great deal over the years and am likely to be far fitter than you. I have never held a driving license and have found it more natural to run rather than walk since the age of 14. Obviously cigarettes are not good for you but continual exercise for years definitely is. The point I make is that diet & exercise are key to health and that if you truly want to promote health then concentrate on these things.
you are still at a high risk of cancer regardless of how good you feel now...
i used to smoke a lot too and quit march 12, 2001...
wish you would quit too. | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-12-28, 4:10 am |
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Originally posted by iggy4270
I quit cold turkey (the only way) and I could actually feel the nicotine leaving my brain. that's how bad it is.
i quit using Nicorette! you're only supposed to use it for up to something like 12 weeks. i used it for 6 months! a quit is a quit. maybe it could help you. you're going to think i'm a real dork, but i also used http://www.quitnet.com/
it helped to talk to others! these are my results!
656 days, 5 hours, 12 minutes and 36 seconds smoke free.
11812 cigarettes not smoked.
$1,594.08 and 3 months, 5 hours of your life saved.
Your quit date: 3/12/2001 | |
| RichardJW 2002-12-28, 4:18 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by freak
What do I think about that? I think that you're in over your head with that sort of statement.
As for my fat butt, I am 5'8", 170 with under 7% body fat. I exercise daily, and have never smoked. If you want to think that you are in great shape, in better shape than anybody else, that's your right. Just don't be surprised if none of us agree with that statement...
You may well be in shape - but there is an acute obesity problem in the US. Statistically what I say holds solid ground concerning fitness - throw in the UK, Australia and a host of other countries as well. People are becoming overweight far more than in the past and especially children.
Yes I must be in the top percent of fitness for my age group - if people don't want to agree with that then consider by example that I do two runs a week of up to two hours each (generally 1.5 hours.) I would do more but you have to balance things up when you work. Hellooo?
Since I don't own a car then I expect that I walk/jog an additional 10km a week at least on top of this compared to the average person in the west who owns a car. Did you know that the vast majority of car travel involves distances that are walkable? If people walked then they might also ease traffic congestion. Granted, in central London there are always a lot of cars on the road an people walking around but in the neighbourhood where I live a few miles out there is practically noone. I don't meet other runners/joggers when I run either.
I recently read a newspaper article about how this next generation will be the first generation to be outlived by their parents. The reason? Obesity. | |
| RichardJW 2002-12-28, 4:23 am |
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Originally posted by gr33nd4yg1rl
you are still at a high risk of cancer regardless of how good you feel now...
i used to smoke a lot too and quit march 12, 2001...
wish you would quit too.
Yeah I tried quitting with Nicorette too. You're at high risk of cancer whatever you do. There are more people dying of cancer than ever before (approximately 1 in 3.) I try to cut down rather than approach this by just stopping which doesn't appear to work well.
Breathe those traffic fumes!!
MMMMMmmm ... | |
| HOOLIGAN 2002-12-28, 6:39 am |
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Originally posted by freak
But it does guarantee free and equal education to all French citizens. I dig that
Freak did you get your 'little freaks' French passports yet?
I got my two kids Irish passports for the purpose of 'free' college education there. Besides that they can work anywhere in Europe with it. | |
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| Yup, they are full-fledged French citizens as well as American citizens... |
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