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Why Bill Gates is my hero.
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| Supertech 2002-11-11, 7:38 pm |
| I wonder what kind of security Mr. Gates travels with? I wonder what type of guns his people carry? Do you think he has a fighter jet escort? hmmmm...... | |
| Crutch 2002-11-11, 9:32 pm |
| From what I've heard, Bill has extremely tight, but hidden security. I wouldn't doubt that he has armored vehicles. Just remembering the design of his house on Lake Washington, that was published in US News & World Report a few years ago, and the cost of it. If you had that much money and power, you'd want good protection too. | |
| enforcer 2002-11-12, 5:00 am |
| bearing in mind the security loop holes of his software, do you think his personal security is any better? | |
| azimuth40 2002-11-12, 5:38 am |
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Originally posted by enforcer
bearing in mind the security loop holes of his software, do you think his personal security is any better?
I believe it works for everything except coconut cream pies. | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-11-12, 6:57 am |
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Originally posted by enforcer
bearing in mind the security loop holes of his software, do you think his personal security is any better?
haha!
yeah really | |
| thecomeons 2002-11-12, 7:02 am |
| well, his financial future is secure. | |
| enforcer 2002-11-12, 7:21 am |
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Originally posted by thecomeons
well, his financial future is secure.
unless someone hacks his bank accounts and/or share porfolios' | |
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| RichardJW 2002-11-12, 5:04 pm |
| Money is Bill's sole charisma. If he didn't have it you wouldn't concern yourself.
He's giving money for AIDS in India purely from a business perspective.
Azimuth40,  that's funny! | |
| ChrisDfer 2002-11-12, 6:40 pm |
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Originally posted by enforcer
unless someone hacks his bank accounts and/or share porfolios'
Well if that happens then he could always fall back on his good looks. | |
| Tech Ranger 2002-11-12, 8:49 pm |
| Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-11-12, 9:05 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by enforcer
bearing in mind the security loop holes of his software, do you think his personal security is any better?
Have heard that a pie hit him in the face once; have always doubted M$ security since then. | |
| azimuth40 2002-11-12, 11:57 pm |
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Originally posted by Mr. Linux Guy
Have heard that a pie hit him in the face once; have always doubted M$ security since then.
Relive the event stills and mpeg
http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/ | |
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| jeramiel00 2002-11-13, 1:46 pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisDfer
Well if that happens then he could always fall back on his good looks.
what good looks... he is a old jackass and i want to kick his XXX for fun hahaha... | |
| jeramiel00 2002-11-13, 1:47 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by azimuth40
Relive the event stills and mpeg
http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/
i like mpeg's lol if you know what i mean lol | |
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| I think it is great that Bill Gates donates $100 million to fight aids. But you also have to remember he is donating $400 million to fight Linux. So this looks like a PR move to me. | |
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| so what if it is pr? do you know he has the largest philanthropy foundation?
where is Jobs, McNealy, and the biggest gates wannabe Ellison? I never understood how ppl can possibly champion ellison or jobs simply because they are anti gates...
so he fights linux... sun release code for staroffice for ?...
come on... what in the world of business is not a PR? give the man a break... wish him death? for what? If you truly against him, then don't use his crap or get his cert...
compare him wiht the rest of high profile ceo... I am glad he is in charge rather than ellison or jobs... well... it would be better if chambers is in charge :P
ppl like to talk about gate's arrogance, well damn, he IS the richest man and give some back... where is ellison? fired his long time comrads and have his only goal in life is to be richer than gates? and ever read any thing about him... now that's arrogance...
edit: I should clarify, i use ceo for simplicity... so if you truly want to knock me for some being chairman etc go ahead...
edit2: for the record, I don't like microsoft products, I rather see some parity and I like linux and Sun. But if you are going to knock something, be fair... strong arm tactics are everywhere, ppl XXXXX about microsoft's pratice, licensing etc, these are everywhere, oracle licensing? heh... anyway, I hate to find myself in the position to defend microsoft but can't stand knocking him because everyone in IT just perpetuate the anti gate mentality when they can't even chronicle microsoft/gates rise to prominence and how others had failed where he succeeded... | |
| kate39 2002-11-13, 5:50 pm |
| how does he get away with it? how does he manage!? does he sleep at night? ..maybe, like Clinton, he iS a modern hero. he's not as corrupt and horrible as lots of oTHer politicians out there | |
| enforcer 2002-11-14, 4:56 am |
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Originally posted by RBud
I think it is great that Bill Gates donates $100 million to fight aids. But you also have to remember he is donating $400 million to fight Linux. So this looks like a PR move to me.
Hmmmmmmmm! Liking the fight against AIDS to the fight against LINUX, now that is interesting. | |
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| It does really matter what any of us think. He still has great marketing strategy and after years of blue screens and multiple versions he is still at the top of the game. Don't hate the player hate the game. | |
| kate39 2002-11-14, 6:44 pm |
| Don't hate the player hate the game.
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can i hate both??
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| chodan 2002-11-14, 7:14 pm |
| I don't hate Mr Gates
I admire his accomplishments.
He doesn't have to give a dime for anything if he doesn't want to.
Who are we to judge his motives.
I haven't walked a mile in his shoes "and am unlikely to ever know how it feels to have that kind of wealth" so I can't judge him.
Most of Mr gates altruistic gestures are from his personal finances and not Microsoft.
That money may help find a cure for AIDS and here you guys are second guessing his motives.
I wouldn't have pursued an MCSE if I felt that Microsoft was evil.
Most of you who are knocking him either have or are pursueing Microsoft Certification.
That wreaks of hypocricy to me.
My opinion | |
| kate39 2002-11-14, 7:18 pm |
| you gotta give this guy credit..
heheh! | |
| Slinky 2002-11-14, 7:29 pm |
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Originally posted by chodan
I don't hate Mr Gates
I admire his accomplishments.
He doesn't have to give a dime for anything if he doesn't want to.
Who are we to judge his motives.
I haven't walked a mile in his shoes "and am unlikely to ever know how it feels to have that kind of wealth" so I can't judge him.
Most of Mr gates altruistic gestures are from his personal finances and not Microsoft.
That money may help find a cure for AIDS and here you guys are second guessing his motives.
I wouldn't have pursued an MCSE if I felt that Microsoft was evil.
Most of you who are knocking him either have or are pursueing Microsoft Certification.
That wreaks of hypocricy to me.
My opinion
Very well put and I agree. | |
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| so?
how about apple giving steep discount to educational institute to entrench their mac?
some article about this
"Stallman, who founded the Boston-based Free Software Foundation in 1985 to promote the development of freely distributed software, urged Indians to spurn free gifts from Microsoft and adopt free, open-source software. "
oh ya, the linux distro that have open.office as default package? talk about locking in future users... cough sun's scheme...
"Kulkarni said he could not find enough software programs or programmers for Linux (news - web sites), the standard-bearer of the free, open-source operating systems. "
eeer where is that billion army strong developers?
""Proprietary software companies hand out free copies for the same reason that cigarette companies give sample packs to college kids — to encourage addiction," Stallman said during his Nov. 1. "
eeer sorry? did sun made their staroffice free for download? heh... where is the sun basher in you!? and of course... open.office... source release by sun, of course in their *generosity and support of open source*....*cough*
and again, apple's educational institute foodhold?! *if we can lock them in when they are in elementary, we get them for life!*...
open source, cough apple os X...ya... give kernel to proprietary software developer, let them make their os... why? cuz their mac os sucks and mac was getting their XXX kicked by MS? can't be!
open source advocates are being used by other *propreitary* developers who contributre only to knock MS out... they point all their fingers at MS only to gain other competitor, commercial competitors a room to breath... hypocrasy... talk about hidden motive... you think all these commercial contributors don't want to wave the battle banner of being one of the first to *champion* open source?
also... how exactly would all these open source developer make a living if not for commercial software... *yawn*
some ppl are passionate about open source, great, love them, but others are just in it for their own good or being used... blah balh balh. | |
| kate39 2002-11-14, 8:08 pm |
| eeer where is that billion army strong developers?
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well, i know what you mean. people need to make a living one way or another. it's only the real programming freaks- who eat, sleep, and breathe in code- that actually write this Linux stuff. the rest of us don't have the time, which is too bad. or, otherwise, we don't have the money to be able to not work for weeks at a time. good point though.. -
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| chodan 2002-11-14, 8:16 pm |
| Lets not forget that this 100 million is just the latest in a long stream of billions of dollars
yes billions
Given away freely.
I've seen people who can't afford computers use Gates Foundation computers to pursue degrees and certifications, and make a better life for themselves. No one else has stepped up to provide that level of community investment. | |
| kate39 2002-11-14, 8:21 pm |
| No one else has stepped up to provide that level of community investment.
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...not even the GoveRnment!! 
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| To every ying there is a yang. There are two sides to every story. He has however, enabled a lot of people to have lucrative careers in an industry that was virtually unheard of 30 years ago. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by chodan
Lets not forget that this 100 million is just the latest in a long stream of billions of dollars
yes billions
Given away freely.
I've seen people who can't afford computers use Gates Foundation computers to pursue degrees and certifications, and make a better life for themselves. No one else has stepped up to provide that level of community investment.
absolutely, while other high profile ceo/chairman corporation are busy becoming richer than bill gates or knock down microsoft, gates have gave away more than them combine.
gate's foundation
try to search google for "larry ellison charity"...
just note in the process of knocking down gate, you are giving rise to ppl who has no regard to giving back as demonstrated by ellison... who was nearly as rich as gate at one point during the tech boom...
gate may be very well doing it for MS, or to save his soul... whatever... others in the industry whose name will live in the history book are much the same... Rockefeller.. the robber baron!... ruthless? wheee... Rockefeller Foundation ? Rockefeller center? we don't spit on it everytime we enter do we?
basically,
gates charity =lots
rockefeller charity = lots
larry ellison charity = ZERO
steve jobs charity = ZERO
who am I cheering for?
click
laff  | |
| kate39 2002-11-14, 9:23 pm |
| (from the _click_ link):
heroic and selfless leadership
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well, i don't know about heroic, or selfless, but whatever it is, it = positive development.
~kate~ | |
| enforcer 2002-11-15, 4:27 am |
| so to sum up:
are we now saying Bill Gates is a mdoern day Robin Hood, taking from the rich to give to the poor?
or is he like the goverment, take from everybody, take their own slice and give the crumbs back to the poorish?
or is he a poor misunderstood computer geek? | |
| chodan 2002-11-15, 7:58 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by enforcer
so to sum up:
are we now saying Bill Gates is a mdoern day Robin Hood, taking from the rich to give to the poor?
or is he like the goverment, take from everybody, take their own slice and give the crumbs back to the poorish?
or is he a poor misunderstood computer geek?
He is none of these things.
But he isn't the the dark overlord many make him out to be.
He is a very succesful business man who has decided to give back some of what he has.
Just like many people do on a smaller scale. | |
| azimuth40 2002-11-15, 11:49 am |
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Originally posted by chodan
He is none of these things.
But he isn't the the dark overlord many make him out to be.
He is a very succesful business man who has decided to give back some of what he has.
Just like many people do on a smaller scale.
I think it is more like Melinda convinced him to change his ways. Before she came along he did not give anything to anyone. He brown bagged his lunch, had a problem with personal hygene and could not spell suit.
Not because he was a bad guy, he just never stopped to smell the roses or realize that 18 hours of straight work normally requires a shower. Intense fellow. | |
| jeramiel00 2002-11-15, 1:31 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by enforcer
so to sum up:
are we now saying Bill Gates is a mdoern day Robin Hood, taking from the rich to give to the poor?
or is he like the goverment, take from everybody, take their own slice and give the crumbs back to the poorish?
or is he a poor misunderstood computer geek?
thats about how it is, he is no robin hood | |
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| I'm personally voting for rich misunderstood computer geek | |
| kate39 2002-11-15, 6:21 pm |
| bill gates; a true enigma
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| drdirt 2002-11-18, 12:20 am |
| What popular movie misquotes Emerson as (approx) "Great ambition without contribution is nothing..."
So, Bill is finding his contribution. I am pleased and admire this facet of his personality.
I know people who feel he contributed with DOS and Windows. None of these (at least that I have had opportunity to talk with) have much information on where DOS came from, or Microsofts early contract with IBM to aid in developing OS/2.
Many people have argued that OS/2 contract was the real making of early Microsoft. Without it, MS wouldn't have had the money or talent to create Windows 2.0.
IBM's big mistake for its medium and longterm interests was to choose not to prosecute MS for violating their contract. Microsoft doesn't make this mistake with anyone who signs their confidentiality agreement, yet some other company & OS would have opened the home computer market is IBM had prosecuted.
I don't understand why anyone glorifies Bill Gates for having the foresight to steal intellectual property. Microsoft themselves condem piracy.
After reading Bill Gates book, I am more confused about his sincerity and his motives. He doesn't look like a saint to me, but I can't be sure he is pure villain. His book could be interpreted as self promotion (with a dose of false modesty) to a global justification. It may have been a serious refletion or a symptom of megalomania.
What he and MS has done significantly influenced technology. He facilitated the growth of everyday users and opened some doors that otherwise might have taken much longer to open.
He and Microsoft have also destroyed the marketability of superior products and absorbed and smothered others.
Is it surprising some people resent Bill Gates? I've met smarter people who are hard working but too ethical to do something like screwing IBM.
Am I surprised that some people admire him and look up to him? Not either! He has accomplished alot and so has MS.
So what is Bill Gates, villain or saint?
Welcome to the real world.
Yet I don't think we have to accept anything that damages our interests just because the harm is done by someone who has done some good.
Further, I am frustrated by the blind acceptance of the weaknesses in the MS products. Ignorance has made the market ripe for purveyors of poor quality products.
Now flame my 'hypocrisy' if you will, but you should consider whether you work in a field that supports anything you disagree with.
I don't agree with all the strategies of the environmental-regulatory agency for whom I work. Yet I do my best because in the competition the many different view points will find some balance.
In fact, I feel my MCSE gives me the right to speak frankly about the limits and strengths of Microsoft products. | |
| chodan 2002-11-18, 7:23 am |
| YOu have some valid points.
As for hypocrisy, it doesn't seem to apply to you, as you don't claim to hate Mr Gates or Microsoft, you don't like everything about him and neither do I .
You are open minded enough to see the plus and minus of him without throwing the "evil" or "villian" blanket over him.
Not to mention that you are well informed.
In the end, money or no money, powerful or not Bill Gates is a human being with faults likeall of us. | |
| jojogun 2002-11-18, 7:38 am |
| did anyone see the custard pie in belgum, quote:
a mind expanded will not contact
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| enforcer 2002-11-18, 7:52 am |
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Originally posted by jojogun
did anyone see the custard pie in belgum,
belgum? is that a film, a country, TV show, what?
what is a cust yard, is it an outside enclosed area that someone has sworn at? | |
| thecomeons 2002-11-18, 8:13 am |
| in hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy, "belgium" is a most offensive swear-word | |
| drdirt 2002-11-18, 11:09 pm |
| well you dont need an infinite improbability drive to see that happening:
"le pays bas"
...pretty much used as an insult. | |
| enforcer 2002-11-19, 4:05 am |
| time for a hot cup of tea, methinks | |
| drdirt 2002-11-19, 8:55 pm |
| or, at least, something almost entirely unlike tea... | |
| enforcer 2002-11-20, 4:53 am |
| where were the 'save the whale' group when you really needed them? |
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