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Not all training centers are the same.
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| ITCenters 2001-08-02, 10:45 am |
| We would like your opinions on training. Have you attended a "boot camp" for IT certification? Was it a good experience? Tell us how your training provider rated... | |
| ace123 2001-08-02, 10:58 am |
| I never went to one.So far I have had no problem with self study. | |
| Gareth Leung 2001-08-02, 11:23 am |
| I'd rather study it myself.  | |
| ITCenters 2001-08-02, 11:27 am |
| I tried self study and it didn't work for me. Can you tell me why you chose this route? | |
| ace123 2001-08-02, 11:28 am |
| For the price of your boot camp I could buy every book out there and fail the test a lot a times and still come out ahead.I see no real avantage to a boot camp. sorry | |
| ITCenters 2001-08-02, 11:33 am |
| If I may ask, how long did it take you to complete your primier certification using self-study? | |
| ace123 2001-08-02, 11:35 am |
| About 3 month per cert | |
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| may be because of the price I don't want to choose boot camps. Self paced learning tools and also hands on practices are enough to being certified for me. | |
| ITCenters 2001-08-02, 2:57 pm |
| How long have you been working on your MCSE, yakli?
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Originally posted by yakli
may be because of the price I don't want to choose boot camps. Self paced learning tools and also hands on practices are enough to being certified for me.
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| fatherboard 2001-08-02, 3:24 pm |
| I think it really depends on what certification are you goin to get.I just self study on A+,Net+ but on Cisco I enrolled myself in Cisco networking academy I really want to have a formal training on it and its also good on your resume.I think some bootcamps just want to make money and the teaching is so fast that you have to self study at home. | |
| chunder 2001-08-02, 4:01 pm |
| i like what fatherboard says... for my CNE i went to a training center -- 6 different bootcamps at 1 week each. i was relatively new to NetWare and networking at that time and it helped me a great deal then. it's good to be a room with other people like yourself shooting for the same thing. the instructor had better know his s.h.i.t too or i'd hope you will provide refunds. my CNE instructor had years of networking experience and wanted to teach for a few years. and the labs, well, you'd better be providing some seriously GOOD labs.
i still had to do lots of self-study after the classes before i was ready to take any tests.
for my MCSE i just borrowed books. i had networking experience by then and didn't need no stinking bootcamps.
for my CCNA, since i was new to cisco products, i did a boot camp and LOTS of self-study. the boot camp had some good labs and some equally competent people but still, it wasn't enough alone.
boot camps are not for the newbies. they are not to gain the knowledge to immediately walk out and take the exam and pass. plenty of study is still required.
why don't you "training" centers make it more like a real school. teach people what they need to know for the test and give them the labs and other materials they need but also make sure they're going to know what to do when faced with real-world issues? oh, i know why, you couldn't make the quick buck they you are trying for.
also, if/when i go to another bootcamp (as i did with this last one) i will audit the class and get a "hands-on" feeling for the place, people, equipment and offerings.
someone who's new to networking would be just as well off going to the local community college and taking some real classes and walking out with the certs, an associates degree, and some real-world knowledge... and often for less of a hole in the wallet!
there's my 2 centavos.
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Originally posted by ITCenters
How long have you been working on your MCSE, yakli?
Is time to obtain certification really that important?
Different people learn at different speeds with respect to the time it takes for one to grasp the material.
Also, certain study paths work for some people and not for others.
I personally haven't enrolled in a bootcamp, but from the associates that I know that have enrolled in bootcamps, their felings about the experience were mixed. Some thought the experience was the best thing to come along since sliced bread, others would not care to enroll in another certification bootcamp ever again...
It took me 8 months last year to complete my MCSE certification training by going through the M.O.C Curriculum at a learning center. That's the path I chose and it worked well for me. However, others may want to obtain their certification another way with time, cost, study method preferences, etc.. factoring in to their decision.
Bootcamps have there place, but I don't believe they are for everyone.(IMHO - which lords knows has been wrong before  )
Time to obtain certification is really irrelevant. How well the individual grasps the concepts of the material presented to them and how well that individual can apply that understanding in the workplace is what counts in the long run. (Again, just my 2 cents)
Take Care. | |
| ITCenters 2001-08-02, 4:16 pm |
| I completely agree with you. Most boot camps fly through the material and don't teach you anything. I've attended camps in which I never even turned on the computer.
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Originally posted by fatherboard
I think it really depends on what certification are you goin to get.I just self study on A+,Net+ but on Cisco I enrolled myself in Cisco networking academy I really want to have a formal training on it and its also good on your resume.I think some bootcamps just want to make money and the teaching is so fast that you have to self study at home.
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| ITCenters 2001-08-02, 4:23 pm |
| Depends on who you talk to. Some people don't mind studying for 8 months to get certified. However most professionals I know can't wait that long. They need the benefits of certification right away. Besides, microsoft seems to change their certification requirements yearly now. By the time you're ready to get Windows 2000 certified the .net tests will be out.
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why don't you "training" centers make it more like a real school. teach people what they need to know for the test and give them the labs and other materials they need but also make sure they're going to know what to do when faced with real-world issues? [/B]
If you're talking about IT Centers, we do. That's what we pride ourselves in as a matter of fact. And by the way, WE ARE NOT A BOOT CAMP.
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[i]Originally posted by Spid
Is time to obtain certification really that important?
Take Care.
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| I did for few days on advanced TCP/IP networking, it is su*k. The instructor don't know how to teach. He just follow the instruction booklet and the guide.
If u found a good instructor. That's great.
Otherwise .... | |
| XtremeFighter 2001-08-03, 9:19 am |
| Now they are hiring some instructors that can't speak english clearly, and we (the students) should concentrate in order to understand what the hack they are saying!
Probably, they would need a few english calsses themselfes. | |
| ITCenters 2001-08-03, 9:37 am |
| Who is "they"?
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Originally posted by XtremeFighter
Now they are hiring some instructors that can't speak english clearly, and we (the students) should concentrate in order to understand what the hack they are saying!
Probably, they would need a few english calsses themselfes.
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| techdaemon 2001-08-03, 3:38 pm |
| With all the outrageous prices.. No way.. Some good books and a good home network is enough for me. | |
| ocpguy 2001-08-04, 12:08 am |
| Most bootcamps are geared toward passing the exam and not learning the material. Most bootcamps will be upfront about this too... to set the expectations in advance.
I mean a normal Oracle class or MCSE class is around $2000-3000 for the whole cert... which takes about 2-3 months (to finish the classes not the cert) But you still have to self study...
For a bootcamp they charge double or triple + lodging and airfare... so it's quite a lot... but a decent deal if all you are looking for is a piece of paper... or don't have time to spare. I personally equate this method to be about as practical and educational as just memorizing dumps without studying or having exp.
If I had a few days of instruction... like Oracle or MSFT... where the instructor shows me the GUI and tools, etc...
Then I can go home and self study... and know what I'm doing... It's a lot harder for me to just pick up a book... but if someone spends an hour or two... showing me the basics... I can pick it up... and ask questions on forum boards like dbasupport.com or orafans.com etc....
It's all personal preference... but my personal opinion is that you should only do a bootcamp if you have lots of $$$ to spare and your main concern is passing.
Otherwise I would recommend self study ... or take a class in the series... (like for MCSE... take the Supporting W2k professional to learn the interface... how to install it, etc) then... do self study once you kinda know how to navigate the gui, etc. | |
| ocpguy 2001-08-04, 12:12 am |
| No offense, although they might be smart as hell....
there is nothing I hate more than a foreign mothafuc.ka that can't speak english trying to teach me a technical subject...
i mean... for crying out loud...
you should always audit the class beforehand... to make sure the teacher can speaka englisha... otherwise you'll be like Chris Tucker....
"DO you UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH???" | |
| Paisleyskye 2001-08-04, 12:17 am |
| I think I went to the wrong training center!!!
I paid $17,000 Canadian for MOUS, A+ and MCSE training a year or two ago. It was a one year program with no holidays - it wasn't a bootcamp.
I'm looking at these $2000 and $3000US dollar amounts, and thinking that it only totals $3000-4500 Canadian. I could have saved a whole lot of money by the looks of things. | |
| ocpguy 2001-08-04, 1:24 am |
| I had a big question....something I've been curious about...
Do these bootcamp places that guarantee that you'll pass after 2 weeks... give you the actual exam questions/braindumps?
Or do they have the braindumps and make sure every exact question is covered in class?
Because I don't trust a course that can guarantee that someone passes...(mainly because I've seen a lot of dumba.sses in some of the courses I've taken... whose technical background consists of using the bar code reader at Target)
I can't imagine being in bootcamp class for 10-12 hrs a day and being able to retain much. When I'm in regular class for Weekend classes from 9-4... I still have trouble keeping awake with 2 cups of Coffee and red bull.
EVEN JUST taking regular weeklong/monthlong subject classes... I couldn't imagine taking an exam without a good weekend or two of rereading and studying my material and practice.
Just something that I was curious about | |
| ocpguy 2001-08-04, 1:47 am |
| I just moved to Atlanta, GA from Seattle, WA and the prices for classes here are insanely cheap.
It might not be the norm in other places. In Seattle there weren't that many schools and a MCSE or Oracle cert would run about $4500-5500 US.
However, in Atlanta... everybody and their momma has a school out here... in fact I'm starting one up tomorrow... (just kidding)... but there are at least 17 schools in the area that ALL do CCNA/CCNP, Oracle, MCSE, MCSD, A+, Net+, etc...
So the competition is definitely driving prices down...
Here are the prices from the school I go to. (the only bad thing is that their schedule kinda sucks... you can't just go knock it out in a week per class)
A+ & Net+ 60hrs $1000
Oracle 8/8i DBA 120hrs $2100
Sun Solaris 80hrs $2100
MCSE 110hrs $2100
Is that about the same most other places? | |
| QueensDelight 2001-08-04, 12:26 pm |
| Hey what's up yall? Ok, good views. My question is though, when picking a progam or a school, how do you know if the instructors, are good? Should you just cross your fingers and hope or is there a way to tell? Cause I know this one school I am thinking about going to, the owner sat me down and told me exactlly how they teach, and told me there would be alot of hands-on and the instructors had over 15 years experience. But really, just hope they do what they say?
let me know
QD | |
| ITCenters 2001-08-04, 2:44 pm |
| I think you should references. If you were hiring someone you would want to do the same. Ask the school to provide you with the emails addresses of a couple of prior students and get their opinions. Also, make sure the training provider offers some sort of guarantee. At IT Centers we let students retake the class as many times as they like within a year if they are not satisfied.
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Originally posted by QueensDelight
Hey what's up yall? Ok, good views. My question is though, when picking a progam or a school, how do you know if the instructors, are good? Should you just cross your fingers and hope or is there a way to tell? Cause I know this one school I am thinking about going to, the owner sat me down and told me exactlly how they teach, and told me there would be alot of hands-on and the instructors had over 15 years experience. But really, just hope they do what they say?
let me know
QD
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| ocpguy 2001-08-04, 3:25 pm |
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Also, make sure the training provider offers some sort of guarantee. At IT Centers we let students retake the class as many times as they like within a year if they are not satisfied.
What good is a guarantee to retake the class... if the class sucked the first time? If you take it again it will magically get better...even with the same instructor?
Picking schools is a crapshoot, because any school can pay Microsoft or Oracle/etc $200 and get the "Microsoft Partner" plaque that is in the front lobby.
I would ask to see the certification of the instructor ... but more importantly... I would ask to sit in a class for 30min-1hour... to watch how the instructor works... if they don't let you do that... I wouldn't bother with the class... because they are only in it for the money. Well... you pretty much know that the schools are already in it for the money... =) but if you can't sit in and audit a class for 30 min... they are REALLY only in it for the money!
The school I go to... lets you audit, and retake a class.
Also, I avoid schools where everyone speaks a language other than english... in fact I run!
I'm reminded of the following quotes from the movie "Tommy Boy"
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Cuz they know all they sold you was a guarteed piece of sh.it ... Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed I will, I got spare time...
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What if the guarantee fairy is a crazy glue sniffer? Building model airplanes he says well I'm not buying it. Let him in the house once is all it takes, next thing you know, your daughter is knocked up and there is change missing from your dresser. I have seen it happen a million times...
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| ocpguy 2001-08-04, 3:47 pm |
| Hey QD...
I just took my 70-228 Installing, Maintaining SQL Server 2000... that MF was hard! I got a 745... and passing was a 745...
But I took the test at ATG... Advanced Technology Group off exit 25.. Roswell Rd...
They looked like a pretty decent school. Pretty cheap prices...
I'll add them to my list... of possible schools to consider... | |
| QueensDelight 2001-08-05, 12:09 pm |
| OH ok, thanks man. Do they have a web site?
Your pevious post was the opposite of what one school did when I was visiting. The instructor showed me her certificate, but when asked for a sit in, they said they don't do that. But out of all the schools I visited they were the few that really sat down with with and told me they would not let me fail, ( i guess there granuntee). She said if I don't do well in the class they keep teaching beyond the 9 weeks. I don't know really, Im getting tired of visiting schools, visited 5 already. I saw another one on tv, today  (ok maybe one more).
Im just trying to not make a mistake and jump into a school and think, "oh I should of went to the other one"
QD | |
| ocpguy 2001-08-05, 10:19 pm |
| Try RadiumSoft... on Chamblee Dunwoody... they guy there will say... if you sign up right now.. .he'll give you 10% off... but don't tell anybody...
and he gives everyone a 10% discount...
they are the cheapest... also they will let you see the instructor and ask questions...
and they let you retake the class if you need to for free...
the drawback is... that the instructors are Indian ... and some have better english than others...
I personally have learned a lot from the classes I took there... but I also had DBA experience going in there...
My instructor is really cool... he used to teach for Oracle University... and is very patient... I can't vouch for the other classes.. but you can probably swing a deal there though! | |
| ITCenters 2001-08-05, 10:24 pm |
| Let me know what price they quote you and I'll see if we can beat it. Our instructors speak english too!
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Originally posted by ocpguy
Try RadiumSoft... on Chamblee Dunwoody... they guy there will say... if you sign up right now.. .he'll give you 10% off... but don't tell anybody...
and he gives everyone a 10% discount...
they are the cheapest... also they will let you see the instructor and ask questions...
and they let you retake the class if you need to for free...
the drawback is... that the instructors are Indian ... and some have better english than others...
I personally have learned a lot from the classes I took there... but I also had DBA experience going in there...
My instructor is really cool... he used to teach for Oracle University... and is very patient... I can't vouch for the other classes.. but you can probably swing a deal there though!
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| hard_coder 2001-08-07, 7:14 am |
| i can't see taking classes or going to some so-called "boot camp". 1) i dont have time, 2) im a tight wad, and wont spend the money. (plus im tired of classes - having been a teacher and having gone to school for 17 years)...now i'll go if the company i work for is paying for it and it gets me out of the office (hehe). i like the idea of self-study and self-paced. it took me 2 months to get my MCSD, of course, i studied every night for at least 2 hours and averaged a test every 2 weeks. This was due to time element - had just came off a huge project and had some down time before the next one started. ive spent less than a $1000 on books and tests to get my certs. i have one comment about the teachers not speaking english... for those of us who went to college or work in the IT field, we know what that is like to have someone from across the Atlantic teaching or trying to communicate with us (this is an obstacle you must overcome), but also think about this - just because a person speaks crystal clear english doesnt mean they are certified to teach. even an MCT doesnt make someone certified to teach - but thats just my opinion. | |
| chunder 2001-08-07, 9:50 am |
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Originally posted by hard_coder
...i have one comment about the teachers not speaking english... for those of us who went to college or work in the IT field, we know what that is like to have someone from across the Atlantic teaching or trying to communicate with us (this is an obstacle you must overcome), but also think about this - just because a person speaks crystal clear english doesnt mean they are certified to teach. even an MCT doesnt make someone certified to teach - but thats just my opinion.
very nicely put. | |
| XtremeFighter 2001-08-08, 8:55 am |
| And also, as I said before:
Boot Camps are not worth wasting your money for. Self-Study is the way to go!
Regards,
XtremeFighter | |
| CatWoman502 2001-08-08, 9:31 am |
| Well self-study may be nice for some, but others can’t find the time. I am a single mom of a 2 and a ½ year old little girl. When I am away from work she takes up all of my time. Needless to say, she does not like it when I read. After she goes to bed at 9:30 I have things around the house that I have to do. With out studying, I don’t get to bed until 11:30 or 12:00 every night. The only way that I can get training is if it can be during the day away from work. I attended a 15-mouth course at a privet IT school and worked part time as a intern making less the $120 a week. I attended my AS degree and am paying off over $16,000 in student loans over the next 5 years. I have no certs, but I am starting MSCE classes at the end of the mouth. I would love to self study, but that is not an option. Luckily my company is paying for these classes or it would not be happening. They are running about $900 ea. | |
| CatWoman502 2001-08-08, 9:34 am |
| I attained my AS dergee!!! DUH... | |
| ocpguy 2001-08-08, 6:21 pm |
| Speaking as the person who made the english comment...
You are always taking a risk that your instructor doesn't know anything when you take a class... or if they teach in a way that isn't suited to your style.
A MCT doesn't mean s.hit... it just means that they paid some extra $$$ to Microsoft.
BUT... if you can't understand the instructor because of their poor english... you are screwed regardless. That is something you can EASILY and QUICKLY screen for by auditing a class for 10 min.
I'm specifically referring to about getting instruction in the US for Americans who speak english. If you are talking about getting instruction outside the US... obviously you will want instruction in your native language. But if i'm paying $2k+ for classes, I want it 'MY WAY' ... just like Burger King. | |
| ocpguy 2001-08-08, 6:37 pm |
| Self Study isn't for everybody... Everybody learns in different ways. The hardcore geeks can pick up a book and start coding after an hour (I wish I could do that!) Others need someone to sit down with them... some need formalized training.
If if I'm on a job... and the company is cheap or I don't have time to take away for training... or I have spare time to tinker with something... self study is cool.
But personally, if I'm learning something new... I prefer having someone walk me through it... show me how to use the interface of the tool/os/app... especially if I have never seen or worked with it before.
For example... I'm OCP and MCPx3 certified. I did it 2 ways... I went to Oracle class for the OCP and self studied for the MCP because I was cheap... and there were easier/fewer exams for the MCDBA. I liked both methods... I had previous work exp with both SQL Server and Oracle and both worked well for me.
I like the structure of a classroom setting where I HAVE to be in class... and I HAVE to prepare and study after before class. You also get nuggets of info from the instructor that you could not get from a book... like what is done in the 'industry' and why it's done that way. or shortcuts, best practices, etc.
My ideal "perfect" setting would be to have a day or two training just to get familiar with the interface/gui, tools, hands-on... then go home/work to read (self-study) and get better with the tool... then use forums like orafans.com or dbasupport.com to ask seniors for answers and help.
But my main point of all of this... is that what learning method works for one person won't work for all people.
I do agree that I don't think "bootcamps" are a good idea.... mainly because they charge more than a normal course because it's accelrated. | |
| CatWoman502 2001-08-08, 7:57 pm |
| I would have to say that the worst experience that I ever had in a class was my first networking class. I new enough about computers to create a word document and get online and check my e-mail. It was Novell 4.11 my first of three classes I was to take on the subject. The first week of class we never even turned on a computer. I didn’t even know what the heck they were talking about. Everyone in the class failed the first test, EVERYONE. The next day the instructor came to class and asked what was the problem. We never even asked a question, he thought that we understood the subject mater. So, I raised my hand and asked if this was a program that we were leaning about. I guess they should have given us a networking basic class before teaching us the NOS. ha ha… | |
| XtremeFighter 2001-08-08, 9:57 pm |
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Originally posted by CatWoman502
Well self-study may be nice for some, but others can’t find the time. I am a single mom of a 2 and a ½ year old little girl. When I am away from work she takes up all of my time. Needless to say, she does not like it when I read. After she goes to bed at 9:30 I have things around the house that I have to do. With out studying, I don’t get to bed until 11:30 or 12:00 every night. The only way that I can get training is if it can be during the day away from work. I attended a 15-mouth course at a privet IT school and worked part time as a intern making less the $120 a week. I attended my AS degree and am paying off over $16,000 in student loans over the next 5 years. I have no certs, but I am starting MSCE classes at the end of the mouth . I would love to self study, but that is not an option. Luckily my company is paying for these classes or it would not be happening. They are running about $900 ea.
Just something that I noticed and want to point out. She is using mouth in place of month. It's MONTH!!!!
Regards,
XtremeFighter | |
| ITCenters 2001-08-08, 11:27 pm |
| picky picky
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Originally posted by XtremeFighter
Just something that I noticed and want to point out. She is using mouth in place of month. It's MONTH!!!!
Regards,
XtremeFighter
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| ocpguy 2001-08-09, 12:39 am |
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Just something that I noticed and want to point out. She is using mouth in place of month. It's MONTH!!!!
Must be all those 'mouth-es' she has to feed... =)
Hey Cat... good luck on your MCSE! | |
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| With boot camps, the approach of asking some people who graduated from one and sitting in on a class is your best deal.
I am very disorganized and not good with time management to make myself study at home consistenly for a cert; I get side-tracked quite easily. I like structure and with some classes you might get an instructor AND some CBTs. I personally like that combination of CBTs and instructor-led.
Waying the pros and cons is best and TALKING to those who have gone through boot camps.
Great imput here. | |
| CatWoman502 2001-08-13, 7:56 am |
| So, I’m dyslexic too. Bit me….  | |
| CatWoman502 2001-08-13, 8:00 am |
| I just wanted to reply to my reply. I hope you guys/gals know I was kidding… I really don’t want to be bitten…well, unless | |
| Drummer 2001-08-29, 10:20 pm |
| Count me as one of those people who like classroom structure. I did learn HTML on my own but the stuff for these certifications are something else.
I'm almost done with a train-to-hire CIW program at SCD. One more cert to go. It's been great for me. I got laid off from my old job in January and I've got a large severance package so it's been great for me. The big selling point was that they guaranteed they'd hire me after I finished my certs. That was the big selling point for me. Certs are great but the job is the Holy Grail.
My instructors have been good generally. I had one who basically read stuff out of the book but I had others who really knew their stuff and could give you other information that wasn't in the book.
Also, the company makes sure you know your stuff before you take the test by making you pass a written test before they'll let you take the real thing (unless you want to pay for it yourself of course). The idea being that if you can pass a written test, you can do well on a multiple choice exam.
Classes aren't for everyone and they can be expensive but they're working for me. | |
| Crutch 2001-08-30, 12:03 am |
| I've thought about going to a boot camp, but I'm not willing to pay the prices. I have a buddy a Microsoft who just completed a Boot Camp at Intense. He said it was a real bear having to sit in class all day, then do labs, then maybe a test here and there. His deal was 16 days in San Fran. He said he'd never had gone unless Microsoft footed the bill.
On another note, I'm one of those disenchanted guys that is tired of all the fool MCT's out there. The last class I attended was back in November 2000. It was TCP/IP. First, I was shocked at some of the people in the class. For three of them, TCP/IP was their first class EVER! One lady told me that her son told her that MCSE was the way to a bright future. I could not believe the school would throw her into the class like that. Then I noticed that the instructor was just reading from the book, glancing up every once in a while to see who was asleep, but not caring if they slept or not. Hell, I can read a book! Teach me something, don't tell me!
I ended up going to the director at the end of the day and demanding my money back. Instead, he enrolled me in another TCP/IP class with a different instructor. It was like night and day. This instructor told the class that he would follow the outline, but would teach from previous knowledge. That class, without a doubt, was the best class I've ever had! I could subnet in my sleep.
For now though, I just self-study with CBT's, Exam Crams, and Transcenders. | |
| stefanw 2001-08-30, 10:11 am |
| Ive never taken a keen interest to a boot camp mainly due to the costs involved. I like learning and really enjoy being part of IT, but I only see Exams as a registration to what you can do. To me right now that doesn't matter, I know what I can manage and what i'll need help with, I dont need a piece of paper obtained over an expensive 2 week course to prove that, my money could be spent much wiser than that. I really do see the value in exams and certification, but not in boot camps.
One last thing, well done CatWoman502, I know someone in an identical situation to you, and I know how hard it can be. But trust me, you can get there and it is well worth it at the end. Keep going and good luck with everything. | |
| vizard 2001-08-30, 12:44 pm |
| gone to a bootcamp once but that was soo much pathatic i dropped out my self well i think self study is much much better and even if there comes really bad situation that you cant understand some concepts what these forums are for they are for helping us outso here at my place bootcamps help really dumb people to memorize dumps and go for a paper or use cheet sheets,then what the gain of that cert which you dont know what its all about sorry to say its only waste of money to go to boot camp | |
| LovelyPrema 2001-09-02, 9:15 pm |
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Originally posted by ocpguy
No offense, although they might be smart as hell....
there is nothing I hate more than a foreign mothafuc.ka that can't speak english trying to teach me a technical subject...
i mean... for crying out loud...
you should always audit the class beforehand... to make sure the teacher can speaka englisha... otherwise you'll be like Chris Tucker....
"DO you UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH???"
You sound like a sad sack of sh!t. Not everyone has an American accent you know! | |
| Drummer 2002-01-27, 9:07 pm |
| Why does the date on the above post say last September?  | |
| chodan 2002-01-27, 9:14 pm |
| I have read recently in Certification magazine the story of a writer going through a boot camp.
He was open to everything the camp had to offer but some of the things that caught my attention was that by the end of the camp several had dropped out due to the pace and 70 or 80% of the students had not passed all the exams during the course.
Plus due to the course being exam focused there was no hands on.
It was lecture > practice test > real test day in day out.
With the camp he attended you had a slim chance of leaving with the certification and a really good chance of leaving know not much more than when you arrived.
For the kind of money a boot camp costs you could take 3 or 4 one week courses that are sanely paced and include practice labs and Q&A`s with the instructor. | |
| chodan 2002-01-27, 9:23 pm |
| By the way Drummer this is an old thread.:-) | |
| Drummer 2002-01-28, 11:32 pm |
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Originally posted by chodan
By the way Drummer this is an old thread.:-)
Yeah, I know. I remember it the first time. Someone posted on it to bring it up but the date still said September even though they posted on it yesterday. On the main board it said January. It was just kinda weird. |
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