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| Bobby Digital 2001-08-20, 7:17 am |
| One of the things that a lot of people are not realizing is that not only is the IT market becoming over-saturated with certified people (MCSE and now CCNA), but it is also becoming over-saturated with people in general especially with the way the economy is today.
Look at the decline in IT salaries this year. Take a look at some of the salaries that companies are offering for certain positions and compare that with the salaries of the same positions last year. Companies are paying LESS, but want HIGHLY qualified IT professionals. For example, I saw one offer as a Network Support Specialist working with NT/2000 (IIS), UNIX/Linux (Apache Servers), and internetworking concepts,plus they want you to have a bachelors degree and a MCSE and/or Linux cert, but they only offered $28,000 to $32,000 for the position. I have seen plenty of other positions in my area that are the same way.
Are some IT professionals overpaid? Hell yeah. Should any IT professional or anyone entering the IT field expect a large payday? Hell no. Like it or not, those days are over with (for the time being). Why? Because too many people are entering the IT field. Simple suppy and demand.
Tech schools, training centers, vendors, etc. have hyped up the IT industry so much that people of all ages, races, and gender are trying to get in. We've all heard the sales pitch of making $50,000+ instantly by getting certified or IT training. That might have been the case to an extent a few years ago, but now companies have gotten smart. Why pay a large sum of money for someone when eventually someone trying to enter the field will take the smaller sum of money? Do I blame companies for this hiring tactic? No.
Think about it, 2 or 3 years ago a company would hire an IT professional, get them trained on their systems and then out of nowhere the individual is gone. Fly by night. Look at the money the company has lost hiring and training that person and having to go through the process of having to doing another hiring search.
The after effect is that companies are not taking anymore risks. They are being more specific in their searches and hiring practices. In other words they are being more "picky" in who they hire. So people who have made career changes and spent thousands of dollars for training/certifications are being left out in the cold so-to-speak. People are getting frustrated and I cannot blame them. They took a risk and some companies are not willing to take a risk on them.
BD
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| that is so true bobby, last year I decided to do an IT networking course which cost me in total £6000. Out of a class of 26, only 4 now have jobs in IT (4 months since end of course) including myself. It's so unusual now for someone to get a job straight after a course that I was actually interviewed by the national newspaper on how I got through the dark IT times  !!! lol
And the job I did get was not in any means offering 'good money'  but considering I was going to volentier for work, I jumped on the opportunity ...
People thinking that they will get 50K straight after doing an IT course are living in their own little world, only experiance will bring you a good salary .... | |
| fatherboard 2001-08-20, 9:30 am |
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Look at the decline in IT salaries this year. Take a look at some of the salaries that companies are offering for certain positions and compare that with the salaries of the same positions last year. Companies are paying LESS
I went to different IT job banks and found out that the salary declined so much than a couple of year ago.I can't believe it. | |
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| Tables are turned - in favor of employers currently. A bit over a year ago, in IT particulary, it was in favor of the employee.
With the slowdown, employers can be selective and pay less because they know the job market is slow right now, perspective employees will jump at what they offer now.
It's all a part of supply and demand. However, I know of some people with hot skills such as Java Certification making 90-100K in Atlanta area. | |
| fatherboard 2001-08-20, 3:26 pm |
| If you're a good java or C programmer you can earn 100k in any state.But it's different story in hardware,networking(unless you have a CCIE with 10 years of exp.)I feel that its very saturated. | |
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| That's why many new college graduated want to work with the big company, a good training program and get them start..
Most new and local tech company is target for us. Those be in the field and new to the field. They know how to play this game.
There are more people seeking for the job, than available jobs. Certification don't mean much unless you come with experiences that they need...
Many fact need to be consider.
Also, because of the big BOOM last few yr on the IT field. Many people abuse the certification, HR and recruiter is getting smart, too. | |
| scamslam 2001-08-22, 10:20 pm |
| Gee, Bobby D
You sound just like me. Long time no speak my long time adversary.
Looks like you've finally bit into my words of wisdom. Matter of fact, are you sure you didn't cut and paste some of my old posts =).
Just kidding, take care man.
scamslam
abc, def, ghi, jkl, m+, n+, nbc, cbs, nfl, nhl, mlb, espn, cnnsi, tnt, afc, nfc
all of this and I still can't get a dang job | |
| The Ghost 2001-08-23, 5:21 am |
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Originally posted by fatherboard
If you're a good java or C programmer you can earn 100k in any state.But it's different story in hardware,networking(unless you have a CCIE with 10 years of exp.)I feel that its very saturated.
You sure about C???
Java men earning 100k is understandable but C???
hey B-d u aint RZA by any chance r u? | |
| ccieToBe 2001-08-23, 6:30 am |
| I agree with you BD. There's so much competition that employers can afford to be a lot more picky and cheap then they use to be. | |
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| exar07 2001-08-23, 1:08 pm |
| hey I know this is off the subject, but Bobby is that your web page?
What did you make it with?
Nice! | |
| Bobby Digital 2001-08-23, 2:04 pm |
| Nah, that's the REAL Bobby Digital (aka RZA of the Wu-Tang Clan) offical website. Cool ain't it 
BD | |
| fatherboard 2001-08-23, 3:30 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by The Ghost
You sure about C???
Java men earning 100k is understandable but C???
Definetely my friend C language is very powerful programming language most of the programs are written in C even visual basic.If you know C you will definitely know Java,Unix,visual basic,PHP,perl,etc...
They just differ in Syntax | |
| limsam 2001-08-24, 2:22 am |
| Hi
I do agree with you Bobby Digital. These days, I see advertisements like this in Singapore:
Position: Systems Engineer
Basic Qualifications/skills:
- A bachelors degree in Computer science or Electrical/Electronics Engineering
- 4, 5 yrs experience
- MCSE, CNE, CCNA a must, CCNP preferred.
- Experience with Linux, Unix (Solaris and HP/UX)
- Oracle experience preferred
- Progrmming skills in C++
- You should have 2, 3 years project management skills
- Ready to work in night shifts
- Should have PC troubleshooting skills
- Should be able to wash co-worker's cars if there is free time.
OK, I added the last item!.
I wonder if there exists a person who has all the above qualification. I guess, this is to call someone who does not have all those above skills, and bargain for a low salary.
Sam | |
| Bobby Digital 2001-08-24, 12:57 pm |
| An employer will want all these qualifications, but are not willing to pay a decent salary to compliment it. Now, I'm not saying pay a person with those qualifications a high @$$ salary, but at least pay them their worth.
BD | |
| limsam 2001-08-26, 8:17 pm |
| Hi BD
I also accept that the employer does not have to pay high $$ at this economy. But, a suitable salary at least for the persons capability.
As in the advertisement I posted, if a person exists who can do all those mentioned, he deserves a suitable salary which is high COMPARED to the other less qualified.
But the employer dies not want to pay the suitable salary.
Thanks
Sam |
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