General Discussion - Something to make you say "Hmmmmmm"

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Something to make you say "Hmmmmmm"

Bobby Digital

2001-06-07, 7:59 am

Here's a thought...on January 1, 2002, will Microsoft stop including MCSE+Internet and MCP+Internet as well as the number of MCSE's who didn't recertify in their total number of certfied individuals?

Think about it. What would the total number of MCSEs be if you subtracted all the ones who did not recertify? The same goes for MCPs. It would be interesting to know especially since many people are deciding to to recertify at this moment.

BD

Tekmazter

2001-06-07, 10:58 am

Yes, no more will I be a MCP+I even if I do recert MCSE2K by then.

Paisleyskye

2001-06-07, 8:59 pm

Personally, I think the numbers of MCSE's will be greatly reduced, which in turn will greatly reduce the number of MCT's. Actually, the main numbers that I am interested in watching at this point relate to MCT's. IMHO the demand for MCT's is going to be so phenominal at that point, that salaries are going to go through the roof.

Bobby Digital

2001-06-08, 12:06 pm

True dat @ Paisleyskye.

I am just curious to see if Microsoft are going to adjust the numbers to show the true numbers after January 1.

Personally, I think that the number of MCPs will skyrocket and MCSEs will decline. I hear that more people are just opting to take one exam to at least keep MCP status especially with XP coming out in the fall. No one knows what direction Microsoft will take in regards to their certification program.

BD

Tekmazter

2001-06-08, 1:37 pm

Bobby Digital,
Bill Gates has already said that there will be no need and you will NOT have to recert on XP. The core of the OS is the same as 2000. XP is merely an upgrade along with a few new protocols and some new pretty "FLUFF" features. Active Direc and DHCP, DNS are still all the same. As far as elective exams go, that's a different situation all together as M-Soft adds new types of servers all the time. So with that in mind, there is no reason not to get the MCSE 2K. Just don't feel rushed about it when you do decide to obtain it.

Daviet

2001-06-08, 2:21 pm

Hmmmmmm...

Bobby Digital

2001-06-08, 6:42 pm

Already knew that Tekmazter. The point of my last thread was that people are waiting and seeing what was going on happen with XP, not just in terms of certification.

BD

Randy

2001-06-09, 5:23 am

I agree with BD . . . I still plan on getting an MCP or two, but I am not sure if it is worth it to get the whole mcse when I know in late 2002, it will be scrapped for something more 'recent' and 'improved'. A CNE will be good for quite a few years, but an MCSE's life seems to have been shortened considerably. This is one of the reasons I tend to avoid M$ products in favour of UNIX, although the *nix and Novell certs expire, they do not do so woth the rapidity of the M$ certs. I think MCSE's will wait to see what happens after getting screwed into the 'upgrade or be decertified' trick that M$ used last time round.

Tekmazter

2001-06-09, 9:30 am

Well, all I can say to thos of you waiting is Thank you! The more people decide to wait and not get the MCSE certification, the less competitive they're to me. Especially in a job interview in which all the candidates have the same amount of experience, both have degrees, and then only one has their MCSE. Face it everyone, as things tighten up, you are all going to need as many credentials as possible to separate yourselves from everyone else. Since the MCP is only one exam, it's not going to do it. Also, with the amount of folks trying to break into the industry now, MCP is a quick two weeks study away. I admit that I would love to not have to recert every two or so years, but it comes with the territory. Hey, I hate to have to swap out backup tapes all the time too, but again, it comes with the territory. If you don't want to be bothered recerting all the time, well...If the heat is too hot, get out of the kitchen. There are plently of us who will recert, as it's not as tedious as you may think. I mean, PRO was a one week study for me, followed by AD, and Server 3 weeks after that. I guess you really have to love IT to want to take these exams all the time. In the end, when I finally get that CIO position, then maybe I won't need to recert, but in the mean time...it only helps me in my job and god for bid, if something happens, it helps me in getting another one. Also, lets say I didn't get my MCSE2K before the cut off, do you actually think I am not going to put that I used to be an MCSE under NT on my resume. I know M-Soft say you can't call yourself one anymore and use the logos on your cards, but I can surely say I was one on my resume. So in the end, once you have the MCSE, that credential will last you well a year or two after it expires. And while XP is now coming out and people begin to worry what will happen, you should all check out the other new products M-Soft is release (e.g. M-Soft Share Point Portal Server etc...) these new products are built to still support mixed mode networks, ya know, the ones w/o all 2000 DC's. This is a sign that AD isn't going to take as fast as M-Soft would like. NT will be around for some time folks, and M-Soft can only go so far with their products until everyone converts to atleast 2K. In the end, just to have the MCSE cert once is super beneficial! Get it and you won't be dissapointed!

Bobby Digital

2001-06-09, 10:14 am

I see your point Tekmazter, BUT looking at it realistically, how many small to medium-sized businesses are going to do or even afford a full migration? Yes, the MCSE is and will be worth some value, but until the smoke settles people are going to approach with caution.

Also, recertifying is not a problem. People are pissed because Microsoft basically told them that the hard work they put towards NT was for nothing especially if you had just earned it. Imagine having spend four years earning a bachelors degree and then the department/school decides to change the curriculum/program and they tell you that you come back and "update" your degree.

Another thing is that any recruiter will tell you, the number of certifications a person has is not a deciding factor. It's all about experience. "You can be certified in everything and not know anything" as one recruiter told me at a recent conference.

Also agree strongly with Randy about UNIX/Linux. I am seeing more and more jobs, high salary jobs at that, looking for people with UNIX experience and less jobs wanting MCSEs. High enterprise networking is UNIX territory. It has been for years. More people are slowly moving towards Linux, which is a stepping stone to UNIX.

Just something to think about.

BD

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