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| scamslam 2001-04-07, 10:46 pm |
| Here is some food for your eyeballs. Pretty sticky reading. Tell me what ya think ok.
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/553305.asp
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|  Has to happen just when I am about to finish course in college | |
| je.souhaite 2001-04-08, 7:57 am |
| Interesting article , but that does not mean that there are no jobs out there , those stories could have been headlines from 6 months ago , or 6 months in the future , keep ya chin up and keep reaching for the stars.
Company layoffs are nothing new , like dot.com failures , they are just part of life in the new economy , nothing is forever anymore.purple | |
| imran1430 2001-04-09, 11:22 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by je.souhaite
..nothing is forever anymore
Forgettin Microsoft? | |
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| IBM once ruled the waves, imran, and they seemed to have taken a back seat. No company stays on top forever. | |
| Unregistered 2001-04-10, 8:53 am |
| There is always a black side to every opinion. There is always a bright side also. According to the article only 685 companies with 50 or more employees were randomly called - I would like to believe there are more than 685 companies out there - one or two which would be willing hire me for the skills I have at any given time.
Keep your head up and keep searching and don't allow the doomsayers to knock you down. The ecomony and the job market have always been in a flux and always will.  | |
| joemomma 2001-04-10, 10:09 pm |
| The first line tells me everything 
"LARGE EMPLOYERS across the country plan to hire 900,000 technical workers in 2001"
That's 900,000 jobs -sounds like a lot to me!
Large employers? who wants to work for large employers? I would rather work for a small to midsize so I get the respect, loyalty, and a say it what is going on.
BTW - It is even better to work from home! | |
| imran1430 2001-04-12, 12:41 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by joemomma
Large employers? who wants to work for large employers? I would rather work for a small to midsize so I get the respect, loyalty, and a say it what is going on.
You just made me feel really good 
For working very hard! for a small company, wanting them to succeed. | |
| Supertech 2001-04-12, 7:23 pm |
| I enjoy the security, money and attention/respect from vendors that come when you work for a major corp. | |
| joemomma 2001-04-12, 7:59 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Supertech
I enjoy the security, money and attention/respect from vendors that come when you work for a major corp.
That is all the stuff that I think you don't get with a major corporation...
Security for the company, but that doesn't mean you.
Money -There so big they don't even know what you mean to the company. Smaller companies you mean more so you get paid what your worth.
Attention/respect -that is another thing that is there when working for a small company. Get the respect you deserve (only if you do a good job). In a big company you are employee #2038.
Of course I would rather work 80+ hours for myself then work 40 for someone else . | |
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| TW2001 2001-04-13, 5:08 am |
| yawn............ | |
| echidna 2001-04-13, 8:14 am |
| I tend to treat the hiring/firing articles with a grain of salt. In my section of the country, I never really saw an exponential rise in hiring, and I haven't really seen much of a drop off. Of course displaced workers can affect that sector, but I think if you have the skills you can still get in a place.
As for small vs. large companies, they each have their advantages. Neither can give you one bit of security so throw that conception out the window. But larger companies do tend to have better compensation - _especially_ when you take benefits packages into account. Also, a large company will give you more opportunity to change specified job roles and carry with it a name recognition - both of which are somewhat important in interviews. But with a small company, you usually fill a much more valuable role and it's easier to bond with your co-workers there. Plus if you find one that is reputable and on the way up, there are intangible benefits. It's really a personal preference. Heck, I've changed my preference about 5 times | |
| je.souhaite 2001-04-13, 10:42 am |
| We're all expendable , oops !!! there's that dirty word.
Sometimes it would be nice if the working world would wake up to the fact that there is no such thing as job security , there is no comfort zone , people need to check their neuroses at
the door and get over it .
you are always going to be looking for the next job , always looking over your shoulder always be a couple of paychecks , from being broke , alone or on the street , no point decorating your cublicle with wallpaper , and trinkets , it'll just get tossed when you move on , either by force or if you decide to move up the ladder.
Couple generations ago , a lot of suckers out there thought that they could show company loyality by sticking around for 40 years , well did'nt they get the shocker of their lives , thanks but no thanks , you're no longer useful there's the door see ya .......
Sucks don't it , does anyone feel nostalgic for their childhood when , someone else took care of ya ........
The best you can do is to try and keep up whether its certification , degrees , whatever to try and stay in the game , because that's all it is , were , all just little checkpieces on the board , layoffs , unemployment , plummeting stock , hey what else is new but what are you gonna do curl up and die , no you just keep plugging on until you find the niche in life that makes you happy and satisfied , until then , don't give up.
Scamslam , hey if your reading this , I think your articles are very thought provoking man , but why so negative , I mean you got some good qualities here , you seem driven and tenacious , why not plug that energy into something that'll get ya paid ...... very well .
Keep those articles coming , we enjoy reading them. | |
| Randy 2001-04-13, 12:54 pm |
| C'mon, j.s, a scam slammer can't afford to be positive when they're making critiques! It's good to have a few critical ones about at any rate. I never pay much attention to these articles myself, as our society is too dependant on computers now for there ever to be a real hiring prob, one just has to be persistent. | |
| Mookieboy 2001-04-17, 7:31 am |
| It's been a while since I've posted, but I read this thread and had to respond. Like joemomma said, I would rather work 80 for myself and have fun, enjoying what I'm doing, etc, than work 40 hours for a just a job. I will give a current example.
I was hired away from my old employer a few months ago. I was told by my new employer that I would learn "all sorts of things" at the new company. Mind you, I have certs such as Net+, A+, W2K pro, W2K server, etc. I was really excited about learning more about Cisco, etc. Needless to say things changed VERY quickly.
It turned out that instead of "learning" cisco, etc., I became a grunt, filling in time at various site for clients doing general desktop support and actually making less money because of the amount hours I have been putting in. I barely get to see my family. To me this was unacceptable. So, I made the decision to quit. Granted, I won't have a job when I leave, but I would much rather be unemployed or work at some smaller company where I feel I'm honestly contributing. | |
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| But that's not an option for those of us with bills to pay. | |
| imran1430 2001-04-17, 10:59 pm |
| I work 75 hrs / 2 weeks and barely make enuff to pay for food. gas. and insurance money. Quitting a job is like NO MONEY for me, meaning no car!
So.. I agree with ya Randy.
And I know that people who are living on their own and supporting families have tons of more bills to pay than me! | |
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| Yeah, I hear you, imran, I just eke out as things are, and I have no family to take care of either. No job = no money. | |
| Unregistered 2001-04-27, 2:40 am |
| calm down!!! your doing what you want to do right? i mean you like it right? i know i do. i wouldnt be doing it if i didnt. as long as you are doing something that you enjoy forget the rest. it will come. money, women, cars, house, all that will come. just be patient and do the best job you can at what you love to do. (and dont settle for less than what you love to do either) | |
| Unregistered 2001-04-27, 2:44 am |
| oh ya and Randy. you know as well as i do that any burger flipping job can pay the bills. i dont think that is the issue.
if you cant pay the bills with what you make then get rid of the sattelite tv and stop eating at McDonalds on the way to work.
i am 20 years old with a wife and 2 beautiful children that i could support making 9.00 if i had to. its a question of "quality of life" | |
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| 300 bucks rent
314 bucks car note
120 bucks school loan
Make it on flipping burgers? What burger place do you know of that will pay more than minimum wage? Maybe if I gave up my car, house and defaulted on my loan I could eke out, but poverty really doesn't appeal to me. | |
| Bobby Digital 2001-04-27, 11:43 am |
| I have to agree with Mookieboy a little. You have to do what is best for you. If you are not happy or are not gaining any fulfillment from your job or what you do, the money doesn't matter.
I left my secure, $60,000 plus a year job (plus GREAT benefits) after four years to enter the IT field for a yearly salary of $28,880. Granted my wife works (a teacher) and we have no children yet, it was a BIG difference financial, but we were not and are not starving or doing without and we bought a house. We even have bills like credit cards, car, student loans, etc.
Yes, I do have a new position where I am making between $35,000 and $45,000, I finish school this semester (AAS in Computer Networking Technology) and I am working on a certification or two.
You have to be happy with yourself and be positive. It also helped me to have a supporting wife was behind me 101%. That was my situation and everyones may differ.
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| Randy 2001-04-27, 11:47 am |
| I agree to an extent, but it is hard to be happy when you have bills due and no money. Having been in this situation many times and even having been thrown out of apartments for lack of cash, I can tell you making more money is better than not making enough. |
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