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| hard_coder 2001-12-14, 2:56 pm |
| I have noticed in many postings the improper use of the words "Then" and "Than". These get confused almost as much as "Effect" and "Affect".
"Then" is an adverb. Straight from Webster's, we read its meaning: Next in time, space, or order; immediately afterward.
Used in a sentence : I will study my butt off for the exam THEN go take it.
"Than" is a conjunction. Also, straight from Webster's, we read its meaning: Used after a comparative adjective or adverb to introduce the second element or clause of an unequal comparison.
Used in a sentence: I would rather watch Monday Night Football THAN study for another Microsoft test.
Am I the grammer king? NO. Just wanted the people that read this forum to be aware of the differences. | |
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| sibley 2001-12-14, 3:31 pm |
| Yes, and I think people have them same problem with knowing the difference between "congragulations" and "congratulations". Are we all imbeciles here???
P.S. "grammer" is not spelled "grammer", but "grammar" (not to be confused with gramma, of course!). | |
| PotatoHead 2001-12-14, 3:37 pm |
| Maybe you should be a English professor? <-----Spelling??? | |
| hard_coder 2001-12-14, 3:52 pm |
| Yes, i purposely misspelled "grammar" to show that I am not the spelling and grammar king. Notice the context in which it was used. | |
| Webmaster 2001-12-14, 5:26 pm |
| Than and then is easy, but could you explain when to use who, and when to use whom? I've always had problems with that. | |
| hard_coder 2001-12-14, 5:54 pm |
| Who is asking and to whom do I need to reply? Who is the subject of referral you are making reference to and whom is an object for which a reference is made. of course, i always thought "whom" is what the Buddhist monks murmured when they meditated..you know - "whoommmmm". It's a sick and twisted world I live in, but it's MY sick and twisted world. | |
| sibley 2001-12-14, 8:04 pm |
| If h_c has any lacks, a since (sic) of humour isn't among them.  | |
| Nicole 2001-12-14, 9:32 pm |
| Sadly, the Grammar Lady seems to have gone offline, but all hail Dr. Grammar:
www.drgrammar.org | |
| huntert 2001-12-15, 3:43 am |
| this is a serious issue all offenders will have their certs stripped, even their breath mint certs. | |
| wbafrank 2001-12-15, 3:50 am |
|  How can someone from US "split hares" over "whom" speaks "Englander" like "what I does"! We've "being" "spoken" it for centuries!!!
This may help a few of you to be even more confused:
A witch had twins, she says "which, witch is which?"
A man saw a ewe, under a Yew, with you!
"Enuff" said. | |
| sibley 2001-12-15, 2:47 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Webmaster
Than and then is easy, but could you explain when to use who, and when to use whom? I've always had problems with that.
"Who" is the nominative case, "whom" the objective. | |
| Hootie 2001-12-17, 3:33 am |
| I have noticed two camps arise whenever grammar is brought to the attention of a BB. One group laughs and pokes fun and the other presents an unnecessarily formal front.
Style, according to the manuals I own, ought to be followed in order to facilitate clear, simple and succinct communication with respect to the context and audience.
The correct use of style is not meant as a tool to separate people by class, money or education, but rather to communicate, clearly.
Use of grammar and style does not represent a special occasion as implied by the formal group.
When brought to the attention of a group, the subject does not deserve to be treated as an intrusion into social comfort.
Style and grammar represent a common ground. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by PotatoHead
Maybe you should be a English professor? <-----Spelling???
Shouldn't this be "an" rather than "a" as it is followed by a vole, sorry vowel. | |
| peterd 2001-12-17, 9:14 am |
| Hi mat,
perhaps we could expalin cricket to our fellow forum users...
'a batsman goes out and he's in, until he's out, then he comes in again'...
:-)
Regards
Peter | |
| wbafrank 2001-12-17, 10:15 am |
| I don't think we should teach them the rules of cricket, it will just be another Country that will beat us!! | |
| peterd 2001-12-18, 5:46 am |
| hi
:-)
Regards
Peter | |
| Drummer 2001-12-21, 6:55 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Hootie
The correct use of style is not meant as a tool to separate people by class, money or education, but rather to communicate, clearly.
Well said. We're all trying to get jobs here, right? Being able to write and speak clearly is important for those job interviews. | |
| Honcho 2001-12-21, 9:47 pm |
| Things that make you go "Whom" | |
| Honcho 2001-12-21, 9:53 pm |
| One of the highlights of any working day is busting a gut over the numerous and humourous gramatical and spelling mistakes found in the resumes of people applying for positions coding or proof reading software. Keep that in mind when your out flaunting your Certs. | |
| neuralfx 2001-12-22, 5:59 pm |
| well you are right, and ok i hear the "our langauge is becoming destroyed" argument coming .. you're pretty arrogant about it .. why dont you also moan about and dis the many asian/european posters who arent "fortunate" enough to have english as a native tongue .. i mean there are worse gramatical errors posted than "then/than" .. i mean check out the "guess what U all guys are too older too doo CCNA" over in the ccna forums .. not dissing anyone there ( not intentionally) .. but in the scheme of things, it doesnt matter .. and i apologize in advance for any gramatical errors, im in too much of a hurry to print my post up and fax it to an english professor ..
-neural | |
| Hootie 2001-12-22, 9:12 pm |
| Let's try this one, again. I wrote the last version quickly and left. When I got back, I read it and I could hardly understand what I was trying to say. Sorry for that.
If I "write click" on "my computer", won't I get crayon all over the screen?
Language is a key element in the process of thinking. That is a powerfull statement, weather you care or not, neuralfx.
In reference to your comments regarding those who have difficulty with people foreign to the US living in the us changing our culture, I offer this:
It seems to me that a number of people are aware of a void in their lives. That void is a lack of a sense of place, a context of being. In other words, their society makes little sense to them. What little they do know and understand seems to be slipping away on a daily basis along with any chance to build an understanding and a feeling of belonging.
There are elements of truth to their proposition that language carries culture.
Cultures change and some do not get it. If they could not blame foreigners for their feelings of not belonging, they might blame "those damn teenagers and their music".
I do not think blame is constructive or productive or an accurate attribution for the phenomena they experience--feeling displaced. It serves to set up an antagonistic relationship with the apparent protagonists of change. There is no resolve, but acceptance of dischord.
When they present their thinly veiled racist arguement, (which is that dischord expressed), I write back to confirm that yes, the world is changing. It really is that simple to me.
Change continues to manifest and those who resist get left behind.
If they had the vocabulary and the capacity for sophisticated thought, they might see things differently. They might actually communicate with "those damn (whom ever)" and therefore find a sense of place by helping to marry the two cultures.
"Funny" how some can find profound wrong in poor expression and none in predjudice and judgement of others. | |
| hard_coder 2001-12-22, 9:39 pm |
| Grammar 101 is the topic and using it correctly is the class. Don't forget - Microsoft Certs are going up in price, so you might want to get in one or two next week. Everyone have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
P.S. -
I asked Santa for a Ferrari. His reply, "You've been good, but you haven't been THAT good." |
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