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| I've read some good points about the issue with Microsoft de-certifying 7 individuals who had braindump sites and I'm somewhat confused by what MS was trying to do. Piss off seven individuals who are now going to go postal on the web and make sure that everything and anything about MS is disclosed? Not a smart move. Like someone mentioned they should have been warned. You think this site won't get hit? Think again Webmaster. If MS thinks that you have something to on this site (links to braindumps?) or your forum just mentions that someone saw such and such on the exam.....well, you do the math. I have a site or should I say I had a site. As of tomorrow ExamSlam will cease to exist. Why? Because MS has put a bounty on all Webmasters and has said if they get a call from someone they will investigate that site. Hell, I got over 2000 questions and tons of study material on the site. If Ms wants to find something they will. So screw it. I've worked to hard and long to have to put up with getting de-certified. MS's strong arm approach to dealing with the problem is so typical of a giant corporation that rushed to get as many people certified as it could to help it's conquest of ruling the software industry and then crying foul when it was discovered that there were to many ...what's the word? Paper MCSE's running around. That's funny. I never met a person that cared about paper MCSE's until he became one. Then in rightous indignation who shall ever come after him is a paper MCSE! MS is going to do a book burning and everyone who has a site that deals with certs and Ms thinks it is disclosing one of its exam questions is going to get burned. Ever take a Transcender? Some of the question were right on and I don't see MS shutting them down. And one more thing....... | |
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Originally posted by Phantom309:
I've read some good points about the issue with Microsoft de-certifying 7 individuals who had braindump sites and I'm somewhat confused by what MS was trying to do. Piss off seven individuals who are now going to go postal on the web and make sure that everything and anything about MS is disclosed? Not a smart move. Like someone mentioned they should have been warned. You think this site won't get hit? Think again Webmaster. If MS thinks that you have something to on this site (links to braindumps?) or your forum just mentions that someone saw such and such on the exam.....well, you do the math. I have a site or should I say I had a site. As of tomorrow ExamSlam will cease to exist. Why? Because MS has put a bounty on all Webmasters and has said if they get a call from someone they will investigate that site. Hell, I got over 2000 questions and tons of study material on the site. If Ms wants to find something they will. So screw it. I've worked to hard and long to have to put up with getting de-certified. MS's strong arm approach to dealing with the problem is so typical of a giant corporation that rushed to get as many people certified as it could to help it's conquest of ruling the software industry and then crying foul when it was discovered that there were to many ...what's the word? Paper MCSE's running around. That's funny. I never met a person that cared about paper MCSE's until he became one. Then in rightous indignation who shall ever come after him is a paper MCSE! MS is going to do a book burning and everyone who has a site that deals with certs and Ms thinks it is disclosing one of its exam questions is going to get burned. Ever take a Transcender? Some of the question were right on and I don't see MS shutting them down. And one more thing.......
I totally agree with you. Those webmasters should have least been warn before actually taking procedures like those. I'm sure that Microsoft should be pissed about those dumps. It's also true that they violate the NDA, but i'm sure a warning would have been appreciated. In the world today, without certifications, your chances of attaining a good descent jobs are minimal. I know that there is still CompTIA, Cisco and others. But considering that MS owns most of the market it is harder.
Microsoft will always be Microsoft, and the sorry thing about that is that we have to live with that. I don't think they care much about us, poor fellows, who try to pass their Certifications. The more we fail the more money they make. Looks like the hunting season for website with braindumps is open. Best Regards.
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| echidna 2000-07-27, 10:15 pm |
| The thing that's really baffling is the supposedly by-the-books cert takers. They will jump up and down cursing at anybody going near braindumps. But at the same time, they sound like salesmen for Transcender corporation!
Here's the big issue: if somebody is truly 'cheating' his way along, just memorizing answers, not knowing the product...wouldn't it stand to reason he would be found out on the job anyway? I really think 90% of the test-takers out there don't even memorize these things. But they are a great tool for seeing how questions are worded and what specific topics are addressed.
As far as 'paper MCSE' is concerned, I think the original poster is dead-on. M$ will gladly boast about the number of MCSE's all over, how that's a true sign of great technologies, blah, blah, blah. So, isn't it natural to expect that huge influx of certified people to cut across a broader scope of the IT world? That's just a sign of a highly successful program. The declining 'value' of an MCSE is nothing more than supply and demand. With more competition out there, of course you're not going to get as much out of a particular certification. | |
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| Microsoft used to think that MCSE was the certification of choice and that it was far behind. Now that Cisco is in the portrait, Microsoft is gonna whatever is in their power to increase the value of their MCSE. Not to mention that it have lost the merit it used to have. Right now, CCNA and the rest that goes with it are getting real popular. I wouldn't say they are more popular than MCSE but it's getting there. Microsoft think they will higher the respect via the MCSE by doing a few dirty tricks that will make them sink.
1) Removing MCSE on NT4 and replace it by Windows 2000. -- This was their first error. How many IT out there are frustrated by those actions ? There should be a lot. I know that the technology changes fast. But will everyone upgrade to Windows 2000 that fast ? I doubt it. The fact that they "remove" it is what i don't get. Does that mean that they will call every companies that uses NT4 and tell them. Hand those NT4 copies here. You have to upgrade to Windows 2000 if you want to stay competitive. Anyways, I don't know what Microsoft was thinking on that one but oh well.
2) Discussed earlier in this post. De-Certify webmasters who have posted braindumps on their sites. This is beyond ridiculous. MCSE is a money game. Why would you go and remove something that a person have worked so hard to get ? And one more thing, maybe Microsoft haven't taught in the first place that those webmasters will follow the technologies and upgrade to Windows 2000 Certifications as well. Cheating is part of this life. Whether you want it or not it's omni present. If Microsoft think they will stop cheating on those exams. They better look at it damn straight. Even if those questions are 1 page long. People will memorize the best part of it and formulate a question that will be similair to the one found on the exam. It will be harder and less accurate yes, but it will end up at the same place as it is today.
Like eshnida said, most people are actually studying for those exams, and use those braindumps to test their confidence. We are not all full of cash to just go and take an exam for the heck of it. A lot of people are just getting out of a college or university and have a huge loan to pay. Why waste 100 additionnal bucks when you could have uses braindumps to see where you were in your study process ? Most people considers people using braindumps as "cheaters". It may be cheating yes, but i don't consider people using braindumps as cheaters. If you know your stuff that's the most important thing. Like the old saying, the only person you can fool in the end of line is you.
Anyways, this was just my 2 cents ... Best Regards.
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| I believe that the whole braindump idea just got carried away. braindumps were originally started to help people study for test. A way for people to study together and help each other pass a specific test. Notes if you will. Then they evolved into people memorizing the questions on the test which, for the life of me, I will never understand. I see pointing out key areas of study to help someone, but why pay $100 or more to take a test and help someone else pass especially if you just happen to fail? I would concentrate on passing the test and not trying to remember each question to post on a website just to say that a whole lot of people used my dump. |
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