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| SlamscamSlam 2000-12-17, 3:50 am |
| As a matter of fact I am currently unemployed and living in southern California. Additionally I am considered entry level, and I am also facing difficulty finding a job. However, I do not go blaming corporate conspiracies, H1-b Visas, or any other external factors.
At any rate:
A) Yes tech centers are a BUSINESS. They are in business because the concept of certification is a valid one and it happens to be in demand (and if it isn't valid just throw your degree away while you're at it).
Sales reps for these centers are just like any other sales rep, they will tell you what you want to hear to get your business. This is not a new concept. It is YOUR responsibility to research for yourself before you get suckered into anything.
Does this mean that Cisco and MS are out trying to milk every dime out of the IT workforce? Or does it mean that independant training centers want to make a profit? Which is more realistic?
B) Nobody said that the corporate world is perfect. Just because there is this contradiction (which I am frustrated with also by the way) of a huge demand and apparent unwillingness to tap into a valid pool of eager talent (plebes such as you and I) doesn't mean that there is something sinister afoot.
Could it instead, mean that Human Resources departments simply do not understand the IT field and are relying on these "wish lists" to fill positions that they have very little idea about? Is that a more reasonable scenario than the melodrama that Slamscam presents?
Final words:
If your attitude is to blame external factors, then maybe it would be easier to try to change the world instead of working on making yourself more marketable in the field. (Hence the martyr remark.)
I chastise Slamscam for his/her own abrasive remarks. And I truly believe he/she has some sort of agenda. Everybody can believe what they want, and I for one don't personally care who believes what. However, calling people naieve and idiotic in a public IT forum is simply childish and I feel that Slamscam should answer for that. | |
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| Man, if I could have just one thing for Christmas I would pick for everyone to get along in all of the forums for just one day. There always seems to be people bickering back and forth about one thing or another.
If I were to make a point here it would be that the people of this forum are here to learn, and to grow and nobody deserves to be called naive or stupid for that.
We need a community where we can all nurture each other in our certification quest, and we should all be working together.
SlamScamSlam, you made alot of very valid points in your post, and I do agree with many of them.
I just wish you hadn't picked that username. I have been on the receiving end of a slam fest before, and it is not a pleasant experience, nor is it one I would wish on anybody else.
I also want to say that I agree with you that people shouldn't put down the validity of our certifications. I worked hard for mine, and my certifications are something that I am very proud of. The money put toward my education has been money that I consider well spent.
My question to PhantomX would be - why don't you get your MCSE and move out of LA?? I don't know what it's like in the US, but I know of several companies in Toronto and Ottawa who will pay moving expenses, so there must be companies in the US that are willing to do that. My exhusband had an MCSE and no experience, and he managed to get a job in Toronto, and the company paid his moving expenses. They also gave him a company AMEX card, and a shiny new sports car to drive. Once again folks - he had no prior experience.
I think it may also be a matter of knowing where to look. Don't just read the newspaper because if you do, you will never find anything. Send out your resume to as many companies as you can think of - hard copies, not e-mails.
Also - what about volunteer work in order to get experience until you can find a job? Schools, libraries, and youth centers often need people to fix their systems.
The world is full of opportunities, if you look for them you will find them. If you walk through life with a bad attitude and blinders on, you will never be able to see anything. That is something my father used to say.
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Sincerely,
Paisleyskye
Best wishes and peace to all!!!
(MOUS,A+,MCPx4) | |
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| Amen,
'Nuff said. Now, let's get on with the business at hand, that is sharing our insights with the certification process! | |
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| I would also agree with Paisleyskye, maybe if all the techs who were in the IT field worked together we could start our own union?
now wouldn`t that be something eh? an IT union! Where employers could only hire techs who had their certifications....well thats way to technicolor dreamworld for something as unique for that to happen...but imagine the power that it would weild.
Personally speaking I don`t belong nor have I ever been in a union....I`ve always worked my *** off pulling 18-20 hour days...**** sometimes going all night (used to work in the fishing industry) and that takes its toll and if you complained you were out of there as there was this vast "pool" of inexperienced and experienced help always there to take your place.
That kinda job wears on you after awhile with the constant threat of being replaced.....on the other hand if we had a union **** like that wouldn`t happen...aww I dunno just spouting off with some verbal poo poo ;-)
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