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| Ok after reading all your posts, I`m interested in knowing something.
I`m currently A+ cerified and am pursuing my mcse.
One great study tool i like is "hands on" as nothing can replace experience!
So seeing as you seem to be a smart guy I thought i would quiz you on a problem I`m having. A friend of mine who`s Mcse couldn`t give me the answer so I tried here as I thought it was a challenge.
About a week ago I made a post about having a muliple boot for my system.
On my primary HD I have windows 98Se on one partition and windows 2000 Pro on the other partition.
On my secondary HD (slave) I have NT 4 Server installed.
I have two choices when it boots up I can boot to 98 or 2000.
I cannot boot to my NT unless I change the settings in my Bios (primary to secondary)
y2k sees the HD but 98 does not but thats because 98 cannot see NTFS.
So my question to you Bobby is this: How can I make it so I have three choices to boot from? I`ve played with the boot.ini and it didn`t work.
Having NT 4 Server has been a very usefull tool to learn the software and like I said hands on is the best.
The best thing of all is what i`m studying for I can actually understand, such as enabling services, auditing etc.
Its real cool to apply what I`ve read and learned to an actual system.
Ok well that`s my question to you so hopefully you can help.
Take care~ studying my *** off!! Mike | |
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| Mike,
Did you try to get a boot manager for your system??
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| I reread your old post as well as this one. Right off hand, I cannot see it, but that does not mean it cannot be done. It's easier to multi-boot with one hard drive than it is with two. Here is one suggestions:
Look into purchasing multi-boot software such as System Commander. I know that it works well multi-booting single hard drives, but I am not sure about multiple hard drives.
I have a lot of notes at home and I will check into that for you. You can try this site as well:
http://www.tweak3d.net/articles/win2kdualboot/
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| Thanks,
Kasor I don`t have a boot manager, but I have partition magic...which BTW screwed up my files, I`m lucky I have Ghost 5 so I could mirror my disks, fix the problem and re-install my files from the mirror.
Partition magic has a Boot Magic function, but it`s greyed out and I can`t use it for some reason.
I looked into VMware but that only applies to NT and 2000, so that software was useless to me.
I have modified the boot.ini to include NT and the ARC naming scheme, but it won`t do it as it`s looking for netdect.com and ntldr files.
So if I include these files in my primary it screws it up.
I sure wish that 98 could read NTFS.
I used to have a removable HD and it was alot simpler to do but went and bought a CD-R/RW and needed the space.
I know it would be alot easier to find software to do it (or get another system..$$$), but I think one should be able to configure the boot.ini and modify a couple of files to make it happen.
Bobby, thanks for your input, I`ll be looking for your reply if you can find anything...I appreciate it!
without the knowledge and wisdom of people sharing information, we would be lost!
Take care~ Mike | |
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| Thanks! that article was really informative! though it talked about muti boot and how to do it, it didn`t mention anything about a secondary HD, just the same though it was very usefull information!
I appreciate it for sure! keep em coming if you have anything else, take care ~Mike | |
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| Thanks I appreciate it!!
Trying to study for Server and Workstation so maybe I`ll have time to play later.
Mike | |
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| I have had a triple boot with all those set up at one point, but they were all on one HD.
Have you tried installing the OS's in a different order? I personally had to install NT before 2000 (you also have to have Service Pack 3 or 4 installed for NT for it to work, can't rememeber which) | |
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| I found out the hard way tha NT likes to be boss, and I`m trying to figure out a way to save my current stuff & install NT on the first partition.
Seems that NT has a mind of its own and when you run setup it defaults onto the first partition and you can`t force it to go on the secondary drive or second partition...it sure made a mess for me....back to the drawing board! Thanks again, Mike | |
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| That's strange, because I had 98se installed when I installed NT, I also installed the system files on the second partition (I have that setup now as a matter of fact).
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| Yeah I have 98se also, when I went to install NT Server on my HD, it defaulted to the primary partition, then I either wasn`t paying attention and missed something during setup, and before i realized it was going to the primary it was to late...man unless you are literate in Dos and know how to delete file folders named $NT***$ it screws everything up on the primary and looks for NTDETECT.
Thank goodness I have Dos Shell(easier than plain ol Dos) and was able to rename, change attributes etc, and delete that darn dollar sign folder along with the I386 folder...all 2,576 files.
I was able to maitain the orginal files and folders on my primary.....food for thought..Back up your system!! learned lots like I said.
Right now I making another pc and its an ol 586 with 32Mb of Ram I want to turn this into a workstation using the workstation software I have and then make my 466 the server, but I want to keep my win 98 intact so I can switch back and forth as that is my main program I use most of the time.
I have two NICs (Netgear 100Mbs) and have made the crossover cable as i`m not using a router and I want to connect the two.
I was told that I should install NT a few times to get myself familiar with it and I would agree as working with NT is better than any ol book anyday.
I now have Boot magic and maybe I can use that to solve the issue, but I still need to figure out why the NT went to the main partition instead on the secondary.
I`m not going to worry about installing 2000 yet as my studies are for NT 4.
If you have any info or can see if what I`m doing wrong feel free to email me or make a post. Thanks again Mike
[This message has been edited by Mike_Mc (edited 10-08-2000).] | |
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| Heya Mike,
First off, you can delete the $win..$ directory by using deltree ( use ? instead of $ )
Second, While installing NT, you should be presented with a screen asking where you want NT installed to with a list of drives (the list should include both the primary and secondary drives, including master and slave drives providing they are drives NT is compatible with ( HPFS and FAT32 drives won't be listed )).
If the drive you want to install to isn't listed, it's most likely formatted with a file system NT doesn't support (such as HPFS or FAT32). Keep in mind that if the drive/partition was formatted with 98SE, it defaults to FAT32, so you may want to check that). If it is, you will have to convert/reformat the drive to either FAT or NTFS.
Man, I am surprising myself with all I am learning while studying for the MCSE (No, I'm not using braindumps, trying to learn the concepts rather than the exams).
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| Thanks for that & yeah I know about formatting the secondary HD to NTFS , I think I missed something during setup and you are right about using the deltree command but I found Dos Shell easier to use because of the GUI.
It`s real cool to apply what we have learned also and its great to see there are people out there doing that. I for one love this hands on stuff as I would rather screw up my system than a clients.
I haven`t got around to installing NT Server again as I`m trying to study for server, and hope to be ready by the end of this week.
Thanks again for your valuable input! this is what makes it work...sharing info! Mike | |
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| Anytime Mike!! 
I love sharing what I learn, as well as helping others work out computer problems (I always have)
I do have a bit of a problem myself, though. but I will start a new thread for that.
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| Don't know if this will help as I am also learning this stuff, but there are a few things I thought of that I didn't see mentioned in anyone else's postings. Didn't read the article's from the link's either so I don't know if they touched on these, so here go's.
This has to do with partitioning.
How did you partition your second hard drive? Did you partition it as one extended partition? Or did you also place a primary partition on it?
The NT System Partition, which contains the boot files, must be a primary partition. It does not have to be active, just primary. The boot partition, which contains the System Files, can be either a primary partition or a logical drive in an extended partition. So make sure that you have at least one primary partition on your second hard drive, or install the boot files on your first hard drive in a primary partition and then you can put your Boot partition(System Files)on your second hard drive.
To dual boot between Win95/98 and NT the primary partition must be formatted as FAT, but not FAT32.
By default, Win98SE formats in FAT32.
W2K recognizes FAT32 so that may be why it works well.
Check those out and see if it will help. Let me know if it helps. See ya.
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| It's me again. I just went back and read your first posting and had another idea.
I read through your posting somewhere that you edited your boot.ini file. Did you refer to your second hard drive as disk 1? Your first drive is disk 0. So maybe it should look something like multi(1)disk(1)rdisk(0)partiti
on(1)? I'm not sure on those numbers because that is one of my weak area's, but it seems tom it should be somewhere in that neigborhood. And I'm pretty sure you will have to edit the boot.ini file yourself,I don't think it will be automatically added.
Just a few thoughts. Don't know if they will help, but I hope they do. See ya. | |
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| Thanks for that info, I used partition magic to make the partitions, I formatted the second partition to NTFS, of course to set it active wouldn`t be wise at the time as i wouldn`t be able to boot to anything. Yes I did partition my 6.4 gig in half, half already was Fat32 and the other half was NTFS.
So from there I went to install NT...actually now that i think about it I inserted the NT disk while I was on win 98, then I guess I clicked to fast as it installed all the installation files on my primary partition, which I`m told it defaults to there, I guess I could have made the secondary partition active then used a boot floppy then run install from Dos...hmmm that might work, they do recommend installing a small Dos partition on where you want to install the NT.
As far as the Arc naming scheme goes, that mostly applies to SCSI drives as they wouldn`t think some twit like me would install 3 OS./
What I can do is setup NT on my secondary drive like I had it, then change the setting in the Bios when I want NT, the Bios gives me the option to boot from either the primary or the slave which I think is cool.
Thanks for your input!! Mike |
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