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Dual Boot NT4 & WIn98, Something has happened and I desperatly need help!!
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| This weekedend I reformated my 6.4Gig HD so I could dual boot NT4.0 Workstation and Windows 98. So here is how I set things up on at first on my PC:
C:\ Fat 16 for boot drive 500MB partition
d:\ NT 4.0 Fat 16 1004 MB partition
E:\ Windows 98 in Fat32 4.6 Gig HD partition
F:\CD-ROM drive
G:\ CD-RW drive
So everything was working great for two days, and I could sucessfuly dual boot between WIN98 and NT. But then this morning I decided to convert my D:\ drive of NT4.0 that is FAT16 and converted it to NTFS. After this was sucessfuly completed, I tried to boot into WIN98 and it wouldn't happen. I got a bunch of error lines in DOS after the Windows 98 screen appeared and then tried to boot into windows. The following errors were reported:
The following file is mission or corrupted - HIMEM.SYS & DBLBUFF.SYS & IFSHLP.SYS & WIN.COM.
This is how the BOOT.INI file is set up on the boot drive:
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[Boot Loader]
timeout=5
Default=C:\
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partiti
on(2)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00"
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partiti
on(2)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00 [VGA mode]" /basevideo /sos
C:\="Microsoft Windows 98"
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I used FDISK to look at my partition information, and it only showed the C:\ boot drive, didn't show the NTFS NT4 drive, but it did show the partition that WIN98 is on. But get this, it showed that WIN98 is installed in Drive D:. But this is wrong as, NT4.0 NTFS is actualy installed on drive D:?????
Anyone know what I can possibly do to fix this problem?? My free 90 days of tech free Microsoft support has run out, so I don't know where to turn to. I tried to copy the above corrupt files from the Win98 Install CD-ROM to Drive E:\, but was unsucessful.
I don't know why this is happening, but obviously the problem started when I converted drive D:\ from FAT16 to NTFS. The only soloution I can think of is to re-install WIN98 again on top of E:\Windows, maybe this will correct things???
O'm all out of ideas, and I would really appreciate it if someone take the time to think thos over and offer any suggestions. I'M DESPERATE AT THIS POINT, PLEASE HELP!!!! | |
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| Hi Zootv,
You know what, when you convert the partition from FAT16 to NTFS, DOS and Win98 cannot read that partition. That's why you've got bunches of error lines.
Do yourself a favour, delete the NTFS partition and create a FAT16 partition with NT boot disk, install Win98 in D: and NT in E:. Then you can convert the NT partition to NTFS without geting that whole bunch of error codes form Win98.
Hope this can help! 
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Gareth Leung
MCSE+I | |
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| GARETH. I'm a bit confused now.
The first time I did this to Dual Boot, I sort of did what you followed. I set up
C:\500Meg FAT16
D:\4600MEG FAT32 WIN98
E:\1004Meg FAT 16 WINNT
To do it this way, here is what I tried to do. I did a minimal install of NT4 on C:\, then I copied from the win98 CD-rOM the system files to teh C:\ drive, which wiped out the NT4 that was on C:\. Then I tried to install NT4 on E:\, but after it copied all of the NT4 setup files and then restarted, I couldn't continue doing this as it said that the NT4 setup couldn't continue as it was missing a certain file.
So what your proposing, I think I have already done this. What my ultimate objective is to have WIn98 in FAT32, and NT4 Workstation running NTFS.
Can you think of the best way to set soemthing like this up on one physical hard drive, without buying any special software, or extra hardware??
Thanks a lot and any suggestion you can offer will be greatly appreciated. | |
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| May I make a suggestion?
If this how it was set up originally
C:500Meg FAT16
D:4600MEG FAT32 WIN98
E:1004Meg FAT 16 WINNT
Unfortunately the is a flaw in you set up.
Questions:
1. Do you really need Fat32 for win98 use? Answer: No: then use what I suggest |Yes: buy Partition Magic
2. Do you want to waste 500MB of HD Space? Answer: No then use what I suggest |Yes: buy Partition Magic (BTW I think you a fool if you do, no offence)
I suggest the following
C:4.6Gb Partition FAT16 contains Autoexec.bat, Config.sys IO.Sys(hidden) MSDOS.sys(hidden), Boot.ini(hidden), NTLDR, NTDETECT.COM, WIN98 contains all your win98 system files & programs. !!!!!NB. DO NOT USE THE WIN98 COMPRESSION UTIL ON THIS DRIVE!!!!!
D:1.5Gb Partition formatted as NTFS WINNT contains your NT boot files (all the NT system files are on C
1. First install win 98 as before but use FDISK and select No to Large disk support this will give you FAT16 as needed (this still supports long file names but not compression)
2. Install NT and create the D: partition as NTFS from the start.
There should be no reason for the problems which you are experiencing if You have followed the above.
I have installed approximately over 10 thousand dual boot PC's during my career to date and they all follow this format, and guess what there all still working.
If you have any problems please e-mail me on yeti@zerg.com
Hope this helps.
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Yeti-GBR1
MCNE MCPx3 SCO ACE LCD Compaq ASE (Wannabe CCIE)
email: Yeti@zerg.com
http://www.mcse2000.plus.com
Yes I'm a Blizzard Brood War Veteran.
[This message has been edited by Yeti-GBR1 (edited 10-30-2000).] | |
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| Oppps missed the obvious:
Partions are numbered from 1 upwards Therefore c:\ is partition 1 D:\ is 2 and e:\ is 3 makes sense!!
Try this before you rebuild it
This is how the BOOT.INI file is set up on the boot drive:
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[Boot Loader]
timeout=5
Default=C:\
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partiti
on(2)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00"
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partiti
on(2)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00 [VGA mode]" /basevideo /sos
C:\="Microsoft Windows 98"
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Edit it to this:
[Boot Loader]
timeout=5
Default=D:\
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partiti
on(3)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00"
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partiti
on(3)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00 [VGA mode]" /basevideo /sos
D:\="Microsoft Windows 98"
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and it should work.
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Yeti-GBR1
MCNE MCPx3 SCO ACE LCD Compaq ASE (Wannabe CCIE)
email: Yeti@zerg.com
http://www.mcse2000.plus.com
Yes I'm a Blizzard Brood War Veteran.
[This message has been edited by Yeti-GBR1 (edited 10-30-2000).] | |
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| FOR YETI;
Hello and thanks for the suggestion. I read your last post and modified my boot.ini file just like you suggested, but after I did this, rebooted, and picked WINDOWS 98, it started to load the NTLOADER and then poped up a garbeled screen filled with a PAGE FAULT with a bunch of DOS undecipherable codes. In case I'm not being 100% clear, this is what I'm trying to do:
Install NT4.0 Workstation in NTFS & WIN98 in FAT32 on the same exact physical Hard Drive that is 6.4 gig in size. I hope this gives you some extra info. | |
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| Ok Zootv,
Hmmmmmm, seems we have our wires crossed here.
Ok Is rebuilding the system an option? | |
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| FOR YETI:
Well when you say 'rebuilding the system,' I'm not sure if you mean buying new hardware, or just reinstalling the operating systmes again.
When I did this a few days ago, I backed up every important info. I have, so if I have to reinstall the O/S again, yes it will be a XXXXX, but something I'm willing to do. But my greatest goal is to install both O/S's on my one hard drive so I can ultimatly use both NT4 Workstation in NTFS & WIN98 in FAT32. Is such a goal workable, without buying a new harddrive, or extra software??
Thanks again | |
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| Ok Zootv give me 15 minutes and I'll have a complete script for you to rebuild your system so it works 100% with both OS's
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| Ok Zootv,
Here is "War & Peace Condensed Style"
BTW I'm Not implying anything it just easier to give you all the required details ok 
ok using the Start-up disk from win98.
1. insert in floppy and boot PC
2. type FDISK
3. delete ALL current partitions
4. reboot PC
5. type FDISK
6. select NO to supporting Large what ever (gives you FAT!6 not FAT32)
7. create a primary dos partirion 4.6GB ~ 4600MB use option 1 in the menu
8. select option 2 in the menu to make it active
9. reboot again
10. format c: (this format c: with FAT16!)
11. reboot PC
12. insert you win98 CD and type in the following: "setup.exe /ie /im /ir /is /iv /nr"
Setup Options: SETUP [batch] [/ie] [/im] [/is] [/iv] [/nr] [/T:tmpdir]
batch Specifies the name and location of the file that contains the Setup options.
/ie Skip the Startup Disk screen.
/im Skip the check for low conventional memory.
/is Do not run ScanDisk.
/iv Do not display billboards.
/nr Skips the registry check.
/T:tmpdir Specifies the directory where Setup is to copy its temporary files.
This directory must already exist, but any existing files in the directory
will be deleted.
13. install win98 as normal but DO NOT RUN THE COMPRESSION UTILITY AT ALL leave the partition as FAT16!!!!
14. having in stalled Win98 now insert the NT CD and the Boot disk 1 (created from running winnt.exe /ox, this creates 3 floppies)
15. when prompted to create or use the existing partition select "Create New"
16. Create partition D:\ 1.5GB ~ 1504MB and format it as NTFS
17. install NT as normal and make sure you install Service Pack 5 as a minimum 6a is my preferance.
18. complete NT install
19. reboot and test if you can get in to Win98
20. reboot and see if NT works ok.
21. Bingo you have a working Dual Boot System!!! with FAT16 on C:\ and NTFS on D:\
Hope this clarifies the issue
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Yeti-GBR1
MCNE MCPx3 SCO ACE LCD Compaq ASE (Wannabe CCIE)
email: Yeti@zerg.com
http://www.mcse2000.plus.com
Yes I'm a Blizzard Brood War Veteran.
[This message has been edited by Yeti-GBR1 (edited 10-30-2000).] | |
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if you want NTFS & FAT32 spend about $50 on Partition magic its worth it in the long run
[This message has been edited by Yeti-GBR1 (edited 10-30-2000).] | |
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| THANKS YETI; another thing,
So now are you saying, that the only way to run WIN98 in FAT32 and NT4 in NTFS on the same physical HD, is to buy Partition Magic, or some similar type software?? Thanks a lot agan | |
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| Ok here is the deal:
NT4 CAN NOT SEE/UNDERSTAND/COMPREHEND FAT32 only NT5(Windows 2000 CAN) thus you can either:
1. Do as I have instructed you and use FAT16 Only
2. Buy Partition Magic
3. Buy a New hard drive and follow 1.
4. Give up and go fly fishing!
All this has been pointed out in all of your earlier postings in the forum.
Sorry to be so blunt, I mean no offence but, if you are serious about doing the 3 core exams before 31-12-2000 you best start reading/studying & listening to what all the senior boffins are telling you
If you have any more problems may i suggest you email me direct as you will no doubt be annoying all the other forum members with your repeated questions.
sorry again for being succinct and to the point
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| Zoo-TV,
You're still at this??? as Yeti-GBR1 has indicated, you're running out of time and we've provided you ample ammunition to get you going. Yeti-GBR1 has given a throughly well put step by step, 1.2.3, a b c, left, right, center diagram. Daylight savings time just changed on saturday there's only 62 days til NT4 meltdown. Time to go buddy.
courvoisser | |
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| Yeti-
A boffin? with a bonnet? in a boot?
ZOOtv - listen to Yeti and go fly fishing.
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| OK now,
I don't know whether you have your data backup or not. I assumed you have backup.
First, use the NT boot floopy to delete any NTFS partitions on you HD. After deleted your partitions, reboot your system by using a DOS boot floopy. Fdisk your dirve to 2 partitions. c: - 250 Mb FAT16, d: - 2 Gb FAT16.
Format the partitions in DOS. Install Win98 on the second partition.
After these steps, you should have c: and d: in your HD and e: and f: as your cd-roms.
Convert d: to FAT32 if needs.
Install NT after verify everything works. During installation, choose the remaining space as a new partition (e: ) and install as NTFS and continue. After everything succeed, you can dual boot Win98 & NT4 on the same HD. Only things is Win98 can't see NT4 and vice verses.
This should be working for now. If you still don't understand what I'm saying, refer to any textbook from NT Workstation and NT Server. All I know is from these books and practise I did in the past.
Hope these can help!
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Gareth Leung
MCSE+I
[This message has been edited by Gareth Leung (edited 10-31-2000).] |
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